Water

Discussion in 'Modeling Tips' started by William Jackson, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Now, I will try to not screw this up, but with that said I am planning a rather large water area. I did some water, but many days ago. I plan to use the Woodlands system. Again looking for lots of input as their is many way's to spell a word. As said by me. "It takes a very narrow mind to spell a word only one way"
    1) How to seal the area, so your water don't run off on the floor?
    2) I want a clear, blue light green look?
    3) I plan on a Tug boat, being on the water. Do you set it in the water on your last pour?
    4) I am hopeing to pour a 1/ deep. "?" Possible?
    5) Useing the Walthers traveling crane pier set. Suppose you set it in the water on the last pour. "Wet"

    Come on guys, need a little help, from you masters.
    Bill Sorry John, I thought Gerome Lutzemburger used, the "Geep" handle. Gerome's a great guy also. Worked with him in Gillette, Wy as Trainmasters. He helped me a lot.
     
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  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Develop your colors on the bottom with pigments before pouring the water medium. Note that the color should be lighter in shallower water, darker in the deep areas. Deep areas are not uniform in shape as well. Blend from dark to light. Use a piece of wood or plastic to mix pigments to get the gradation in color that looks good.
     
  3. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hi Bill

    I dont know if I have mastered this water thing.
    This is what I did, prolly a lot better ways to do it, this was cheap and easy which the easy part was important, as I am basically lazy.

    I laid down a sheet of "tempered" Masonite, Made sure it a few inches bigger than the water would be. Then built the scenery to the Masonite the last thing was put a bead of painters caulking around where the scenery was to seal it, and a strip of good masking tape across where the water came to the edge of the bench work.

    I messed up on the colors on mine so that advise from is no good. I just used cheap latex craft paints, which worked good I just didn't mix the colors right.
    I considered using that Walthers stuff too, I got a bag of the stuff you heat up, figured it would cost too much to go that route. Plus I had concerns about the stuff setting up too quick and lumping. So, I took some good advise from this forum, and just went down to the hardware store and bought a quart of water based gloss clear, and started to paint it on thick, you gotta let it dry between layers or it will show brush streaks. After about a dozen coats it started to build up enough to start looking better than I thought it would, with the last couple coats, I loaded the brush heavy and kinda stabbed it on, that tended to give the ripple effect where I wanted it. I then used canopy glue to hold any people or boats, rocks, whatever in place, then went to an artist supply house (like hobby lobby or similar) and got a tube of Gloss Medium Gel. This stuff will pretty much stay the way you put it down, I used it to make a little wake, and other effects around things. Cool thing is if it ever gets scratched you can just go over it with another layer of gloss clear and it is like new again. I wish I had put in a boat ramp now, would have looked good and added more people and stuff to the scene.
    Thats about all I know about that.:)
     
  4. Larry F.

    Larry F. Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I've had good luck with artist oil paints (Hobby Lobby). They dry slowly and they blend really well. Hobby Lobby also sells a product called Water in Minutes. The only problem with this is make sure to stir and stir and then stir some more and then pour very slowly into your bed. When I made a seascape I used Woodland Scenics Water Effects to make waves and wakes and then dry brushed white paint on the top to make whitecaps. A word of caution--make sure everything is sealed along the edges when you pour the "water" as it will find any little hole and run out.
     
  5. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm putting in the Walthers Pier and Traveling Crane. Basically a river scene that the railroad floated ties on barges to to be put on rail cars. From the tip's I'm getting I suppose I will put plaster cloth over the plywood. I will color the bottom with paint pigment then seal with a water base lacquer. Building that up coat by coat. Then I will go to the Woodland system for making a good water scene. When I put the rocks, sand rip-rap and so forth on the bottom, does anyone have a suggestion on the glue ? I wana makes sure I don't end up with floating rocks. Please give me your idea's. Thanks
     
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  6. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Keith for the reply.
     
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  7. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    The water in minutes, I will try. That was one of the reasons I ask the group. I don't want "Casting Resin" on the floor.
     
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  8. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Guy's look at post #5
     
  9. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Here is a shot of the area for the pier, barges.
     

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  10. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Here is a shot of the water area, the pier is upside down, glueing it togather now.
     
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  11. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    This site is so difficult to do anything, I'm about to give up. !!!!!!
     
  12. Larry F.

    Larry F. Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Don't give up! The results are worth the effort. Super glue works best as I've had white glue loosen if submerged. If you decide to use the "Water", as I said before, pour v-e-r-y slowly and use something like a popsicle stick to push it slowly to the edges as you definitely don't want to create bubbles.
     
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  13. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Howdy, long long ago I attended a Dave Frary clinic on making water. He used paint and gesso of varying viscosity. I've used this technique successfully on the old Texas Western and will use it again on the new Texas Western. Based on my experience, I would never go back to poured water. Dave's technique results in very authentic water, and you don't have to worry about it running onto the floor. A few pictures of result (gesso still drying to clear) are below. In the end, we coated the water areas with super gloss clear to make it easier to dust.

    I think this link shows how easy it is:

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    Best of luck whatever technique you use. ~mike c


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    Last edited: Aug 28, 2017
  14. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Speaking of water, I hope all our friends in Texas and Louisiana are persevering under the awful circumstances of the herricane and flooding. Thoughts and prayers...

    Tom G.
     
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  15. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Mike, I'm so glad you went to the effort, to share this with me. This may be the best way I've seen. I will plan on using this system. Thanks so much. Bill
     
  16. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Tom. We will take all the water we can get. We are in the northern part of Texas, so only sporadic rains here. ~mike c
     
  17. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    William, glad you have a direction to go. This technique is so very simple. I taught a crew of about five to do this technique and we finished all our water scenes in one evening. If you search for Dave Frary water on YouTube, I suspect you can find more videos and references. Good luck. ~mike c
     
  18. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    Again thanks should make it much easier I have ordered the liquid
     
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  19. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson Frisco.org Supporter

    I never use Utube, but your right lots of good stuff on there. I bought a gallon of the water liquid. I'll start as soon as I hang the backdrop. WooHoo !
     

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