Two questions about SLSF #2000-2005 EA7

Discussion in 'EA7' started by 12-567C, Oct 10, 2016.

  1. 12-567C

    12-567C Member

    Why are 2000-2005 often referred to as "EA7" and not E7A? I have not seen this designation anywhere except at frisco.org

    What are the retirement dates for 2000 thru 2005? I know 2000 2002 went to L&N but not when.
     
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  2. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    As to your first question - The Frisco locomotive diagram for those units showed those units as EA-7 and not E7A. Why? Can't really say. Must have been a Frisco thing. Interestingly enough, the E8's were listed as E8's and not EA8's

    Date Retired


    2000 EA7 Oct-65 became L&N 782

    2001 EA7 Jan-66

    2002 EA7 Oct-65 became L&N 783

    2003 EA7 Jan-66

    2004 EA7 Oct-65 became L&N 784

    2005 EA7 Jan-66
     
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  3. 12-567C

    12-567C Member

    Many thanks. Do you also have the retirement dates for the E8s?
     
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  4. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    According to EMD documentation, the original designation given the E series passenger A units up through the EA7s by EMC was EAx where x was the series number. Beginning with the 8 series, EMD changed the designation to E8A for A units and E8B for B units.

    I refer you to Ken Wulfert's (meteor910) post in this thread: http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/whats-the-difference-between-the-e-a-7-and-e7.3849/

    I think that most of the rest of people want a nice continuity in designations and since everything from E8s, to E9s and F units follow the Alpha, Numeric, Alpha format, they refer to the predecessors likewise, despite EMD documentation to the contrary.
     
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  5. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    No less a diesel expert than Louis Marre referred to them as EA7's in his Frisco Diesel Power book.

    Tom G.
     
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  6. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    What is really confounding is that Louis Marre, in his 2012 book The Diesel's First 50 Years published by Stephen Priest's Paired Rail Railroad Publications, refers to these EMC E units as E7As.
     
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  7. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I was just looking at my copy of Frisco Diesel Power and Marre uses BOTH designations, EA7 and E7A!!??

    Tom G.
     
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  8. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    2006 E8 Traveller Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2007 E8 Whirlaway Oct-65 Sold L&N 787/AMT 226
    2008 E8 Messenger Feb-68 T-I EMD
    2009 E8 Jet Pilot Oct-65 Sold L&N 785
    2010 E8 Count Fleet Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2011 E8 Gallant Fox Feb-68 T-I EMD
    2012 E8 Flying Ebony Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2013 E8 Sea Biscuit Feb-68 T-I EMD
    2014 E8 Truxton Oct-68 Sold L&N 788/AMT 227
    2015 E8 Twenty Grand Oct-65 Sold L&N 786
    2016 E8 Citation Feb-67 T-I EMD
    2017 E8 Pensive Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2018 E8 Ponder Feb-68 T-I EMD
    2019 E8 Cavalcade Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2020 E8 Big Red Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2021 E8 Gallahadion Oct-68 T-I EMD
    2022 E8 Champion Oct-68 T-I EMD

    The above information came from a spreadsheet posted on this site, but darn if I can find it now. I wanted to credit whomever posted it and where it is located.

    I also updated my original response as to what L&N numbers they became.
     
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  9. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Shows how observant I am. I'd never noticed the EA7 orientation. I think I'd just assumed that they, too, were E7A. To my eyes and brain, EA7 probably looked too akin to FA1. I don't know much about when Alco rolled out their FA-1s and FB-1s, but would that have potentially been a mitigating factor in EMD's decision to reorder their designations?

    Something new for me to learn every day around here. I've learned that I can't completely eliminate my ignorance, but only strive to reduce it. :)

    Best Regards,
     
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  10. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The MKT used the EMD classification, EA-7, in its diagrams as well.

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  11. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Ah, Chris, how nice it would be if we all strived to reduce our ignorance instead of being satisfied with it. There is nothing wrong with ignorance (simply a lack of knowledge of a subject), but staying in it is inexcusable.
    Terry
     
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  12. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    As my mother used to say, the day you cease to learn is the day you die.
     
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  13. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    And As My Father Used To Say, I Count That Day Lost That I Don't Catch Hell Bout Something.
     
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  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I believe EMC also wanted some common terminology for their new models. As the FT, F2, F3, F5 (unofficial), F7 series came along with their immense popularity, to be followed by F9's, FP7's and FP9's, EMD lost their affinity for the term "EA-whatever" for their popular E-units, so the E8 and E9 terminology was adopted.

    Ken
     
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  15. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Do any of you have a decent pic of E7A (EA7, take your pick!) SLSF 2002 in its original Meteor decor? This would be the original EA7, not the later modification to a "Racehorse" to match the E8's.
    Thanks.

    Ken
     
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  16. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken, I believe this is the best we can do;
    two Mike Condren photos in black & white, 2002 and 2005,
    one of 2002 from the Stuart Kurth collection,
    a Hallmark EA7 decorated as 2002.

    SLSF #2002 EMD EA7 Meteor 7-1946 Mike Condren.jpg SLSF #2002 EMD EA7 Tulsa OK 05-1949 Stuart Kurth Collection.jpg SLSF #2002 EMD EA7 Meteor Hallmark Models.jpg SLSF #2005 EMD EA7 Meteor Mike Condren.jpg
     
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  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Keith! The first one of 2002 is just what I needed. Terrific.
    K
     
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  18. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    OK, I need to come back to the well for another pic - SLSF 2004. I'm trying to prove a point, so I want a pic of all six E7's (EA7's) in their original colors, two for the Texas Special and four for The Meteor, so I need a nice legible pic of SLSF 2004 in its original paint scheme to add to the other five I have. Black & white is fine.
    This is what you have to do to prove something simple to a northeast railroad fan, although he is a nice guy. He knows the MKT also had two units for the TS.
    Thanks in advance if. you can help.
    K
     
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  19. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Let me guess, a Pennsy fan?

    I can't find 2004, but I'll keep looking. See if https://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Frisco_PaintShop_Es.htm helps you at all.

    EDIT: Look on page 19 (page 8 of the pdf): https://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1993_11-12_v8_6_12.pdf
     
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  20. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    What's the point?

    GS
     
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