Track-Side Indicators

Discussion in 'Right of Way' started by Karl, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Paul Bender's query about Take Siding Indicators prompted these remarks. I don't think that I anwsered his question, but it was interesting looking into the topic.

    I hope that someone might be able to provide addition info or photos for the TSI's as well as the numerous trackside indicators that the Frisco employed.

    Thanks to Jeff Cooney for his photos.

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  2. pbender

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  3. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Karl and Jeff-
    Just stumbled across this - I think I overlooked it when we were out of town in June. The summary is superb, and the picturees and diagrams are quite helpful. Thanks very much for an interesting and helpful operational document.

    Karl, you'd mentioned these block indicators going back to the early 20th century. Do either one of you know when the US&SCo indicators would have been contemporary? I think they'd make an interesting detail to go on top of a relay box, but I wonder if these particular models would have been post-war?

    Best Regards,
  4. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Nice thread, I have a couple of these off other rail lines. One with the Semaphore and one with circles that looked close to the same. They are a neat detail.
    Bill Jackson
  5. April

    April Member

    In the mid/late 1970's I recall there were two small white lights attached to the side of the concrete relay box at the Vinita, Oklahoma interlocker. They normally stayed lit and whenever they went dark I knew a train was not far away.

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  6. slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018)

    slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018) Engineer Staff Member Supporter


    I believe the signal indicator you have red checked (at north end of Fontana) is a signal for the spring switch. If you look (assuming train is going north) to the east you see the letters ss which means spring switch. All the spring switches, that I am/was familiar with, had a pot signal on the ground that indicated how the switch was lined. I am not familiar with Fontana, but in CTC some of the sidings would have a power switch on one end and a spring switch on the other. That way (Fontana) the dispatcher could line the north bound into the siding with out the train stopping to line switches.

    Take siding indicators were also used in none block territory. There was one at the west end of the siding at Cyril, Oklahoma, for east bound trains to take the siding. It was controlled by the operator at Cyril on the dispatchers authority. I never saw it illuminated or used.

    Paul, electric locks are called, well, 'electric locks' not 'electronic' locks. I found the edition of the rules you posted interesting in the fact that they called 'Stop', 'Stop and Wait'. How times change!

  7. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Thanks. I fixed that.

  8. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    So I was thinking about the take siding indicators again, and I wondered what the controls looked like on the CTC panel. actually has a photo of the panel that included Fontana.

    At the time this photo was taken, there appear to be “Take Siding” controls on both ends of Fontana and no other controls present there.

    Interestingly, the background of the control switch for the take siding indicators is not the standard US&S control switch background. It does have the words “Take Siding” on it ( you can read it if you zoom in ( even on my iPad)).

    On another site, I found a photo of a Rock Island panel that had a take siding indicator control, but that one used the common US&S controls, just saying “take siding” instead of Switch or Signal.

  9. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Incidentally, there are a couple of other panels on the rr site that have take siding controls. They all have the differing controls…

  10. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    It looks like the lever plates are unlabeled and have an unnamed vertical position and an angled position labeled TAKE.
  11. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    it says “TAKE” on one side, but centered above the switch it says “SIDING”.

    There is another one on the site that has both “TAKE” and “LEAVE” on the same type of plate.
    This is for the Nonco-Amory segment of the Frisco ).
  12. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    I’d love to get better pictures of one of these plates.
  13. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Here are a couple of sections of that Narco-Amory CTC panel. The first one is a couple of the take siding controls that are on wither side of a siding… similar to Fontana.

    The second one is the part of the panel that includes both a take and leave on the same plate.

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