SLSF F-3 5008 in Frisco Archive...

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  1. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Anyone know any details of the Frisco F-3 5008 being lashed-up (or only parked close) to a Central of Georgia covered wagon at East Point, GA?? Run-through service? Or something else?

    Thanks, Tom G.

    PS: C of G's diesel paint scheme was pretty neat! 5008 looks spiffy too!
     
  2. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom -

    Nice pic indeed. Didn't the Frisco consider acquiring the Central of Georgia in the mid-1950's? Can anyone confirm? If so, maybe it is related to that, or if not, probably a run-through.

    Ken
     
  3. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    From my recent post on another thread:

    I am disposing of magazines and had some issues of Modern Railroads Magazine and ran across an interesting from the '60's listing mergers, both approved and denied, leading up their prediction of how the merger world would ultimately shake down. Having said that, they listed a takeover attempt by the Frisco of the Central of Georgia that was filed on 12/06/55 and denied by the ICC on 11/14/58. This begs the question as a discussion of what happened (if anyone can remember) and speculation of what the future, both at the time and for the long term.
     
  4. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Wonder why they denied it? It would have been essentially an end-to-end merger. Probably suffered from strong lobbying by the powers that be in the south - Southern, Atlantic Coast Line, Seaboard Air Line, etc. Illinois Central probably didn't like it either - they were one of IC's passenger partners in getting to Florida from Chicago.

    Ken
     
  5. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    There were two primary reasons cited.
    1.The merger would reduce competition. ( I believe that the opposite would be the case.)
    2.The Frisco acquired CoG stock control without permission of the ICC. (It's not nice to mess with the regulators)

    The Frisco divested the stock to the Southern during 1963.
     
  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Whatever, East Point GA is way over by Atlanta, a long way from Frisco rails!!??

    Tom G.
     
  7. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Between Dec 1955 and May 1960, the power-short Central of Georgia went to the Frisco on three occasions to lease motive power. The Frisco was also powered constrained, and especially so during the summer wheat rush, and it had to ask the COG for the return of the power on a couple of occasions. Perhaps the Frisco extended this "courtesy" to COG because the Frisco owned 71% of that railroad. The railroads agreed to a rental rate of $0.26 per mile

    During April 1963, the COG returned to the Frisco once again and asked to lease motive power. By this time, the Frisco as required by the ICC, had sold its CoG stock to the Southern, and the Frisco told the CoG to "bugger-off".

    The attached pdf file shows which units were leased, when they were leased, and the number of miles each ran-off on the CoG.
     

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  8. slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018)

    slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018) Engineer Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl,
    Thanks for information. I wonder what would have been if the Frisco had been successful in its acquisition of the C of G. The BNSF could advertise 'Coast to Coast Service.' :)
    Jerome
     
  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I assume the FA1's and FB1's that SLSF leased to CG were EMD repowered units?
    Anybody know?
    When I have a chance, I'll check them on Karl's list. Don't have time now.
    K
     
  10. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken, of the FA1/FB1 units leased to CoG, only 5208, 5311, and 5312 had been repowered by EMD. Units 5114, 5210, 5214, 5223, 5229, and 5314 had not been repowered. Here's my version of Karl's list updated with re-power dates.
     

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