Discussion in 'B30-7' started by RogerRT, Feb 18, 2009.
SLSF 863-870 B30-7 Dispositions
This proves that I can realistically repaint my HO scale model GE B30-7's in my custom shortline railroad paint scheme and model them on a modern shortline layout as former SLSF B30-7's...
I just did some research on former SLSF GE B30-7's. I've been wondering if any are still out there. Thanks to http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?mid=47 I was able to find pictures of all 8 SLSF B30-7's, #863-870. According to the website, the latest pic of a former SLSF B30-7 was taken yesterday (9/3/11)...on a westbound train. That's right, OHCR 3000 (former SLSF 863) was still running yesterday in LaFayette, LA. Take a look. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2707481. Not too shabby for a locomotive that will be 34 years old in Dec. The next latest photo is of MNNR 48 (former SLSF 864) taken on 4/5/11 in New Brighton, MN. Take a look: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=64734. Looks pretty good if you ask me.
It's about bedtime now, but with a holiday off tomorrow and all-day rain from tropical depression Lee to keep me inside, I'd say by this time tomorrow night, STLN (State Line Railroad) #007 (former SLSF 863) will be running the STLN local and I will have successfully customized a locomotive for the first time.
This is great stuff! The B30-7's and the GP15-1's are my favorite Frisco locomotives. Thanks for sharing!
I sometimes take photos of the Minnesota Commercial on my way to and from work. This evening I saw MNNR 88, a B30-7:
I went to railpictures and was tremendously surprised to see that is former Frisco 866! It turns out they have several former SLSF B30-7s on the roster.
Amazing. Nice catch
They're still riding on Alco trade in trucks. I wonder if they still have the traction motors and generator that went in when they were built?
Were the AAR B trucks trade ins? I did not know that. MNNR has several Alcos and GEs on its roster; I gather they prefer the traction motors.
The B30-7's were probably not on trade in trucks, they were likely the AAR Type B trucks they came with. It is correctly called an AAR Type B truck, not an Alco truck. Alco, as did GE and some others, used a lot of AAR Type B's on their locomotives.
They likely had GE traction motors, at least in the beginning.
I thought the GE's rode on AAR Type B trucks because they came off Alco trade in units. I didn't know they still came new with those trucks in that era.
Maybe, maybe not, but GE might have used as many AAR Type B road unit trucks as did Alco. The truck was not an "Alco truck", even though I called it that for years as my Lionel FA1 A-A locomotive I loved as a kid rode on what I called "Alco trucks". Not so.
Even though I liked the EMD Blomberg B-B truck a lot (it was better), I always have preferred the look of the AAR Type B. My favorite Frisco GP35's were the several that did indeed run on AAR Type B's from traded in Alco FA1/FA2's.
The AAR Type A truck was also by far the truck most used on B-B yard switchers, even by EMD!
I believe in Greg's new book it says the B-30-7s or at least some had old FA trade in trucks. The book is 10' away and I am too lazy to double check at the moment though. HA
Yep, Greg does report that in his new book in the B30-7 section. I had not heard that. Could very well be true indeed. After all, an AAR Type B is an AAR Type B. Would be interesting to know what traction motors were used in them in the new GE's. Same as the old GE's used in the Alco FA/B's, or new GE's? Also what bearings, as they look different.
However, GE U-boats, all models, came with AAR Type B's as the standard truck. Other truck options existed as well later on.
I think Ethan is correct. I've run into a few places the last few days that refer to them as trade-in trucks from Alcos, such as the Wikipedia B30-7 article, and a short description of the -7 models from Atlas, that mentions that FB-2 trucks were standard but some roads used trade in AAR B or even Blombergs under the loco.
Some Alco's have "ALCO" trucks under them. Apparently cast to Alco's specs, or cast at their own foundry? Oft were the times I would see the big "ALCO" within a rectangular box that's cast onto the side frame. I would see such when I was down on the ground standing beside one of the trucks... uh... looking at the scenery.
EDIT: Also, IMHO, reusing trucks is an iffy proposition unless the truck has been gone over thoroughly to insure that it is still good and square. A truck can be slightly "tweaked" (warped/bent/etc) by a significant derail, and from that time on, the truck can crab down the tracks, and be even more prone to derailing on account of picking at joints, points, and frogs.
re SLSF B30-7's.
Whatever. I still say the majority of GE UxxB's ran on AAR Type B trucks. Yes, some were trade-ins from Alco. Yes there were alternatives like the FB-2 later on. SAL/SCL ran U36B's on trade in EMD Blomberg trucks. And, the AAR Type B, as well as the AAR Type A switcher truck, were AAR designs, not Alco's. Alco could certainly have ordered some with their name cast on the side frame. I also recall reading that later Alco Century Series B-B units, like the C-430, did run on AAR Type B trucks that had a somewhat longer wheelbase due to more robust traction motors.
Hard to keep up with all details that went on in railroad history!
Yes, the U-Boats had AAR Type B trucks. I assumed that the B30-7s were the same, so I was surprised to hear they were trade ins. The Minnesota Commercial has a bunch of B23-7s as well as the ex-Frisco B30-7s, and many if not most of them ride on AAR Type B truck. Apparently the FB-2 was an improvement that came out with the Dash 7 model line.
The B30-7 was just an improved U3xB. Buy the run of the mill B30-7, and it came on factory AAR Type B trucks
Here's a picture (not mine) of MNNR 48, former Frisco 864:
Glad to see the 864 is still earning her keep.
Yea. It's a good thing! Still doin the deed.
This outfit has a concentration of older GE's. That's interesting to me for sure.
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