Eastern Division Signals - 1900-1945 - OBS, APB And CTC

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  1. palallin

    palallin Member

    What signal types were used between St. Louis and Monet between 1900 and 1945?
     
  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Starting during 1909 and completed during 1910, US&S Type S semaphores were placed between Monett and St. Louis. The territory was a mix of OBS and APB.

    During January 1944, CTC with Type SA search light signals was placed into operation between Swedenborg and Dillion.
     
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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

     
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  4. palallin

    palallin Member

    Thanks, Karl.

    May I ask another question , what do "OBS" and "APB" represent?
     
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  5. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    There was a pretty good E. S. Dellinger short fiction story about a signal installer on the Eastern Division. It's included in one of the FMIG Lines issues - 105 or 106, I think. You can down load the story from this site.

    FMIG Lines 104 has another of his fiction stories about the Eastern Division between Springfield (fictional Stringfield) and Newberg (fictional Oldberg). The title was BALLAST SCORCHER.
     
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  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    OBS or Overlapping Block Signals and APBS or Absolute Permissive Block Signals were forms of Automatic Block Signals used by the Frisco. The attached ETT shows the Rolla Sub with the APBS and the OBS systems, and the "recent" addition of CTC.

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  7. palallin

    palallin Member

    I have the issue of Railroad in which that Dellinger story appeared.

    The mag is disintegrating, but I got a decent photocopy before it got too bad.

    As I understand, the there is a sequel to that story, but I haven't been able to identify or locate it.
     
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  8. palallin

    palallin Member

    Thanks again, Karl!
     
  9. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Creeping a bit off-topic, but regarding the CTC section from Newburg to Rolla, from where was this CTC controlled? St. Louis? Springfield? Newburg?

    Best Regards,
     
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  10. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Newburg
     
  11. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris,

    Look at page 232 of Joe's book Frisco Power. This is the pic of the brand new Meteor consist on a publicity run up to St Louis in April, 1948, taken at a stop at Newburg, MP 119.1. The Newburg CTC building is visible just above the lead E7, SLSF 2005.

    Don Wirth made a terrific model of the building for his Newburg-based layout.

    Ken
     
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  12. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Richard Grayson gave me an interview years ago.

    Part of it is included in FMIG LINES issue 116. He dispatched from that building during WWII. 12-hour shifts. No bathroom breaks. Peed into a jar. Went on to become SL-SF and BN presidents.
     
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  13. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thar she blows. I've looked at that one several times but apparently not close enough. I need to go back and look at the photos of Newburg in HO-Scale that Don has posted.

    Talk about working your way up the ladder. I can't imagine getting through two hours of work without getting up and stretching the legs. Guess I would have been better B&B or Section Gang material.

    Best Regards,
     
  14. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    From the March 1, 1946 Book of Rules... Definitions and rules pertaining to APBS and OBS. bor_mar_1_1946_DefinitionsP95.jpg bor_mar_1_1946_p130_131.jpg bor_mar_1_1946_p_132-133.jpg bor_mar_1_1946_p126_127.jpg bor_mar_1_1946_p_128_129.jpg
     
  15. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

  16. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul,

    Indeed, the basic system described at this web site is OBS. Unlike the ATSF, the Frisco did not use leave siding signals as described in this piece. It was more typical for the Frisco to use block indicators at each end of a passing track.

    In later years, the Frisco placed dwarf signals or pots in some locations. One of the problems with OBS was that during certain “symmetrical” opposing movements, it was possible for a train to come upon a red board without receiving a yellow signal. The railroads countered this problem by adding an additional yellow signal in advance of the occupied block.

    When everybody was paying attention to the timetable and his train orders, OBS did its job. However, when inferior trains occupy the main line on a superior train’s time, bad things can happen.

    Such was the case on July 12, 1942 when number 4 and a passenger extra (troop train) collided at Granby, MO. The ICC Accident Report provides an interesting discussion about an “inadequate” signal system, which played a part in this fatal accident.

    http://specialcollection.dotlibrary.dot.gov/Document?db=DOT-RAILROAD&query=(select+2646)
     
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