Discussion in 'Passenger Operations' started by Charles Wherry, Mar 7, 2017.
Enjoyed it all!!
Like Dale said "Born about 2 decades too late).
What about the Leaky Roof? Do we cross it on the route through Clinton?
No, It was in the SW portion of town.
You have to stop and get a pic of the KCCS-MKT interlocking tower.
There are several threads here that give the location.
Karl, I stopped by there several years ago and took a bunch of photos and took some measurements. When I was there, the gal in the house to the SE was a renter and allowed me to get up close and personal with the tower. I just wished I had a ladder to gain access to the concrete stairway and peek into the upper floor.
Every time I go through these and look at them I see even more. Thank you again for taking the time to share them. Fantastic.
Charlie, these are great!!!! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for sharing a bit of your life's experiences with us via this thread. The photos are priceless and your memories of your family have lasted (and will last) you a lifetime.
Found them, and it's a spectacular series. Can't thank you enough for sharing, and I'm thinking my layout space might be more appropriately sized for modeling the Clinton Sub.
The depot scene at Lowry City as #21 makes its stop is about as nice of a photo of the activity at a branchline depot as I've ever seen.
Best Regards, s
I'm still waiting to hear a response to a question I asked several weeks ago, which I posted somewhere on this site.
On March 21, we drove from Olathe, KS to Springfield, MO via Clinton, MO. We drove southwest towards Clinton on MO 7. At Clinton, we drove around the northeast of Clinton and headed south on MO 13. Prior to the turn to the south, MO 7 crossed over what looked very much to be a former railroad ROW heading from the SW to the NE. Was that the former Highline ROW?
Where did MO 7 cross over the former Leaky Roof ROW in the Clinton area? I'm assuming the Leaky Roof ROW was generally to the west of the Highline. Correct?
Did MO 13 cross over either ROW between Clinton and Springfield?
1. That may have been the Katy Trail. The Clinton Sub crossed Hwy 7 just west of the intersection of MO 13 and MO 7.
2. The Leaky Roof did not cross MO 7 at Clinton. The Leaky Roof entered Clinton on the SW side of town Between Harrisonville and Clinton, the Leaky paralleled MO 7 most of the way. Modern highway construction obliterated most of the old dump between Harrisonville. The Leaky Roof depot at Urich is extant.
3. MO 13 crossed the Leaky Roof and Highline several times between between Clinton and Springfield. The dumps of both roads are visible at numerous locations. At Lowery City Modern MO 13 is built atop the Leaky Roof.
Thanks Karl. When was passenger service to Clinton from both the south and the north discontinued?
May 28, 1954
But you could ride in the caboose on 58 and 59 until the end of the mixed service.
That was sometime after August 1964 (I thought i saw this in a later timetable too, but I can't find it):
Still listed as mixed service in ETT 46, September 1965:
Not listed as mixed service in ETT 47, May 1967:
So, by operating documents, May 28,1967 would be the official end of all passenger service on the Clinton Sub.
I have it on very good authority from one of my KC friends that not long after after Dec 8, 1967, he and friend presented themselves at the Grandview depot, and requested two round-trip tickets to Clinton. The agent balked, but the two pointed out that the tariff was still on the books, and therefore he must honor the request. The agent relented, and the two received two round-trip tickets. The story goes that very quickly thereafter, the Frisco removed the tariff, and at that time the Frisco became freight-only.
I leave it to you to determine the veracity of the story.
So employee timetables lie .
Do you happen to have any information about when the last Chick cars traveled to Clinton and back via 58/59?
Charlie notes that the MKT N. Clinton interlocking tower was still manned during this trip; his photo in post #8 clearly shows interlocking rods intact.
Other, later photos show a gate against the Clinton Sub, with interlocking rods apparently removed.
Anyone had a date -exact or approximate - on when the tower was shuttered?
I'll echo Don's remarks earlier: I find something new everytime I review this.
Karl made the suggestion in this post:
Clinton sub passenger trains
That the gate replaced the tower shortly after trains 20 and 21 were discontinued in 1954.
Thanks, Paul - had even browsed through that thread and still overlooked it. Appreciate it!
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