Old Orchard, MO

Discussion in 'Depots G-P' started by don, Jun 1, 2003.

  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Neat! Thanks Rich. I remember wondering what the concrete foundation was back when Caroline and I were looking around the depot location. I didn't know about the smaller replacement structure then.

    Now what we need is a picture of the small structure while it was still standing. The search never ends!

    Ken

    ps - Looks like BNSF needs to get some people out there to tap down some spikes on the second.
     
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  2. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    This is where I remember the small tan stone building standing. Before I44, the street crossed the tracks here and ran over to Laclede Station Rd. Holekamp lumber was on the east side of the tracks north of the crossing and on the other side of the street from Holekamp, there was a spur onto an elevated track where they dumped hopper cars of coal into trucks, etc.
    I'm not sure I have a picture of it. May have it in a movie I shot of Dad westbound on Number 9 one late afternoon.
     

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  3. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Don, in the pictures that Rich (pensive) posted, the concrete foundation lies within 50' of your red X. Here's a view from the north; the red arrow points to the northern corner of the concrete foundation.
     

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  4. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    OK another posting in the never ending quest for truth, justice and the American way. I managed a frame capture from the old 8MM movie I shot of my Dad on No. 1 or 9 going through Old Orchard.
    As you can see in the foreground, the gates are down at the crossing and just past (east) of the crossing is the tan stone building. Holekamp Lumber is just across the tracks. I'm not sure what the small foundation is in the other views, but it looks too far east to be where this building is.
    Sorry the quality isn't better.
    I-44 came along and ruined a perfectly good scene.
     

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  5. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Let's see how the movie plays out.
     

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  6. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Wonderful video, Don! It's neat that you have these scenes from your Dad's career.

    I'd guess it is #9, basis all the HW head end cars. I would also think #1 would be a longer train.

    Roughly when was this movie taken? I'm trying to figure out if the two E8's (2115 plus another) are in the gold stripes sans white border scheme, or it that is duluxe gold stripes. Note the nose coonskin looks to be blue.

    Ken
     
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  7. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I'm thinking this is about 1961 because we didn't have a movie camera before then. My mind might be muddled on this too.
     
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  8. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I think the Texas Special, #'s 1 & 2, ceased running from St Louis at the beginning of 1959, so if the movie was shot in 1961 it has to be The Meteor, #9.

    I'm having trouble reading the number of the trailing unit.

    Ken
     
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  9. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Orchard, MO

    The Texas Special lounges were taken off ca. '58. The Texas Special train was taken off in Jan. '59. In the movie, that's the Meteor sometime after 1960 when their diner-observations were squared off for mid-train use. The diner in the train is a squared off #1550 or #1551. WHAT A SUPER MOVIE CLIP! How about some of you tech-heads explain how to save that clip to a disc?

    Tom
     
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  10. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The consit of that train:
    --E-8
    --E-8
    --Baggage (Express)
    --Baggage (prob. messenger car, door ajar)
    --Baggage (Prob. mail, 2nd next to RPO)
    --Baggage (Prob. mail, next to RPO)
    --LW RPO-baggage
    --Chair-Buffet-Lounge
    --Chair
    --Diner
    --Sleeper (OK City)
    --Sleeper (Tulsa)
    --Sleeper (Fort Smith)
     
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  11. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I went online to a place called http://www.historicaerials.com/ and entered 7000 Fyler Ave, St. Louis, MO and clicked on 1958. Image isn't the clearest in the world, but you can work your way out the main line to Old Orchard. The small stone "depot" is still there as is Holekamp's, the coal spur and the road crossing. Using the measure tool on the site, it's 46' east of the street that crosses the tracks. About one car length.
    The defense rests.
     
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  12. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    To save the file to your hard drive;
    1) Right-Click on the file hyperlink (the underlined name of the file) and select Save Target As:
    2) Navigate to a location on your computer that you want to save it using the Save in drop-down box on the Save File dialog box that opens and then Click Save.
    3) Once the file has saved, you can move it to a CD or any other computer medium you choose.

    If you just want to look at a large image a picture, Right Click on the file name and select either Open in New Window or Open in New Tab and you will be able to see the image in a larger size.
     
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  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Brings a tear to my eye - I loved that train. I rode #9 many a time back to Rolla between 1960 and 1964.

    Don's 8mm movie dates from 1961. Maybe I was on the train that night!

    K
     
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  14. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    What's a hyperlink? :) Never mind, I've figured it out. Thanks Wiz Kid, but you have to remeber there are folks on this chat group that have never worked on computers, sold computers or used computers in their in their entire work lives. I'm a super surfer and eMailer, but that's about it. I can't open any of the "files" on here, I'm basically just here for the conversation. We need just a little slack sometimes...

    Thanks again, Tom
     
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  15. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Two more images:
     

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  16. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Orchard, MO

    1550 was rebuilt during 11/1960 and 1551 was rebult during 2/60
     
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  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Experiences on The Meteor, SLSF Train #9:

    I rode #9 back from StL to Rolla probably 20-25 times during my years at MSM - Sept 1960 to May 1964, including the summer of 1963. I took two chemical engineering labs that summer, plus a "Diffy-Q" math course, so I could relax a bit at MSM my following senior year and go on a lot of interview trips to try to gain meaningful employment. It worked!

    I usually rode #9 back to Rolla on a Sunday night after a weekend at home in StL. It left StL US at 6:00pm, arrived Rolla at 8:24pm. It was on time an amazing number of times - I don't ever remember it being seriously late when I rode it.

    I bought my ticket at StL US from the huge, circular TRRA ticket counter the evening of the trip. I was never refused, though on Sunday nights the train was usually close to full. Lots of Miners going back to Rolla - I always saw freinds on the train. I usually traveled with a friend or two - we always tried to get a seat in the coach (I never understood why they had only one chair car), but about half the time, I had to sit in the chair/buffet/lounge. That was not a bad deal - many times we got a booth/table to sit in. One time, in a booth/table, I graded papers all the way back as I was a student teaching assistant that semester. Heck of a way to waste a Frisco train ride!

    I never had a meal in the diner (I regret that, but I was always broke), but we usually bought at least a Coke from the diner or from the lounge. The sleepers were always behind the diner (coach and lounge car ahead of it), and a couple of times we walked through the diner to take a look at the sleepers. Each time, we were told to go back to our seat. Darn! But, usually, the train crew were nice folks. They enjoyed talking about the Frisco. I recall the diner was rarely very full - perhaps it filled up more so after 7:30-8:00pm.

    After clearing the St Louis area, I often found an empty Dutch door and hung out there for the balance of the trip. It was always neat to hear the sounds of the E-units, and to watch the brake shoe sparks at night when we entered a curve. I also enjoyed waving at people from the train.

    When we hit St James, I would usually go back and reclaim my seat. When we rolled by 1501 in Rolla, I would grab my bag and prepare to detrain. At the Rolla depot, I'd always walk up to the E's, compliment the engineer on the nice ride, and watch him leave town for the trip down to Newburg, then walk to my room.

    Great memories! Thanks for the video Don.

    Ken
     
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  18. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Don, the movie is priceless. I've sat here, wondering if that is too strong of an adjective; however, I will leave it. A fully-streamlined passenger train, in color. Sincere thanks to you for sharing and to your father for filming. Tom, thanks for including the consist description, too.

    Ken, the memories provide a lot more sentiment than I suspect I'll ever be able to provide in regard to traveling by air here or there.

    Best Regards,
     
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  19. Ozarktraveler

    Ozarktraveler Member

    This forum is "the gift that keeps on giving". :)
     
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  20. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Hey Don have you got any more photos of that super neat brass model of 4-6-4 1066?

    Thanks, Tom G.
     
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