Nose Lights on the GP35

Discussion in 'GP35' started by dricketts, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. dricketts

    dricketts Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I have a question about the two lights located on the nose of the GP35's. Forgive me by I'm not sure of the proper term for these lights. I've noticed some of these lights seemed to be painted over on some of locomotive power on various models.

    Were these light used by the SLSF on their GP35's? If not were they usually painted over or just not used.
     
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  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I assume you are talking about the two lights on either side of the face of the nose as opposed to the Gyralight.

    The two lights you see are class lights.
    For a locomotive running as the lead engine of an extra train, they would be lit white.
    If the lead engine was on the head of any section of a multi-section train other than the last section, the class light would be green.

    These supplanted, and then later, replaced flags.



    p.s. As Karl has pointed out, #754 below is a GP40-2, but I picked it out to distinguish between the Gyralight and the Class lights.
     

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  3. dricketts

    dricketts Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thank you for the info.

    Yes that's the term, class lights. I thought none of the GP35's had gyralights though.

    Can you define "extra train" and "multi section train" please? Google didn't produce much...
     
  4. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    In "today's" railroading with irregular schedules, track "warrants" etc., do they even bother with "class lights" any more?

    Tom G.
     
  5. mark

    mark Member

    Derrick,

    There are two basic type of trains, regular and extra.

    Regular Train: A train authorized by time table schedule.

    Extra Train: A train not authorized by time table schedule.

    Section: One of two or more trains running on the same schedule, displaying signals or for which signals are displayed.

    Colored class lights and colored flags help opposing trains and other railroaders visually identify the type of train.

    A train displaying no class lights and/or flags is a regular train.

    A train displaying green class lights and/or flags is a section of a regular train. Each subsequent section will also display green signals, except the last section (no class signals displayed).

    A train displaying white class lights and/or flags is an extra train.

    Strongly recommend anyone interested in railroads and railroad operations to obtain a copy of their railroad's book of rules. The modern version on the Frisco is Rules of The Transportation Department, effective March 1, 1957. This is a valuable tool for understanding how and why railroads work.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  6. dricketts

    dricketts Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Mark. This explains why most pictures and videos of Frisco lead power do not have the class lights on. I always thought they were non functional on most units. Now I know.
     
  7. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    To give Dricketts and anyone else that want's to know what it looks like with all the lights operational (head, roof beacon, gyro light and class lights) check this video out of a lighting package I did:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZS8uSk-Jh4

    Ethan
     
  8. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    One other item to note, class lamps were not required in CTC territory.
     
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    In today's world, everything is dispatched as an Extra, and nothing has timetable authority to exist as a train. Class lamps are superfluous.
     
  10. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    If you are referring to Keith's pic of 754, it is a GP-40-2.
     
  11. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

  12. FriscoFriend

    FriscoFriend Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Update to Mark's post.
     
  13. mark

    mark Member

    Bob,

    In your example of the two section El Capitan, the first section would display signals and run as First No 21 (west) or First No 22 (east) and the second section would run as Second No 21 (west) or Second No 22 (east) and would not display signals. Both sections are one train, running as 2 sections. Both sections have the same schedule.

    Remember, a schedule is in effect for 12 hours after their time at each station unless fullfilled, annulled or superseded. This is important beacuse a train operating in sections is just like one continuous train from the first section until the markers on the last section.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  14. renapper

    renapper Passed away March 8, 2013

    There is no porblem with scanning and posting a train order, my friend, Richard D. Baker, owns one of the fromost train order collections in the country, and he does it all of the time.
     
  15. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The train orders would not be copyrighted material if they were created by the railroad and discarded (of course, someone pulled them from the trash and that's why we have them).
     
  16. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Terry,
    I can appreciate your desire to post this fascinating document, and Keith is correct that posting a RR TO is fine, but taking one from a published text without permission and attribution just is not kosher. Why not ask Joe permission to post the document.
     
  17. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I will concede that the train order image, as posted in the book, may be construed as copyrighted material, but only the image taken from the book. The content of the train order cannot be copyrighted by the book author since he was not the original creator of the document. Attached is my created transcribed version of the order.

    Pardon my printing, but hey, the train crews had to deal with individual handwriting anyway.
     

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  18. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Keith -

    Roll it up and hoop it up!

    K
     
  19. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter


    Exactly the proper work around.

    Thanks
     
  20. dricketts

    dricketts Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I just wanted to say thanks again to everyone for all the great information. I now feel much more confident on the subject!
     

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