Muley Type Cabooses - Photographs, Numbers, Build Dates, Models - Inquiry

The Muley type caboose plan and data from the Frisco Museum caboose diagram book.

It would appear that there was a wide range of car numbers (224-939, non-consecutive).

Would anyone have?

• A photograph of one that they would care to share of this type?
• A list of numbers rather than the range?
• Original build dates?
• Models built?

Apparently a "Frisco1522" named "Don" posted one on Trainboard. Hint, hint!

Thanks,

Bob T.

http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/frisco-caboose-diagrams-museum-version.4835/

 

Brad Slone, Master Model Railroader (MMR), has modeled this caboose type.

Doug

 

Image from All Aboard - Volume 3, Number 12 May, 1989

 

https://ctr.trains.com/sitefiles/resources/image.aspx?media={5AC63927-AEE9-4478-A854-59572777185C}

 

Jeff Cooney posted these on Facebook.

Adding here for reference the caption from Jeff was: "Noted on reverse, Loc. 140 at Fontana, Kansas, X-George Dodson. ETT No. 33, August 5, 1917, Local 140 was carded to leave Kansas City at 2 PM arriving in Fort Scott at 6:15 AM. Interesting that it appears the train number is displayed in the caboose cupola."

Enjoy,

Bob T.

 

Link to the All Aboard article, pages 4-5 .

https://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1989_5_v3_12.pdf

 

Robert,

Have HO models of caboose SLSF 109 and the Hallmark caboose.

 

From Richard Crabtree, Frisco Rails Across Missouri FaceBook:

Here we are somewhere along the Frisco's new River Division between St. Louis, MO and Lilbourn, MO.

This new division stretched from Saint Louis, Missouri to Memphis, Tennessee by 1907.

This photograph taken around 1905 was on part Frisco St. Louis, Memphis and Southeastern Line.

We see Frisco 2-6-0 No. 388. Mogul class built by Cooke Locomotive Works in 1898 as S. L. & G No. 20, along with St. Louis, Memphis and Southeastern caboose SLM&SE 15.

Photo courtesy of State Historical Society of Missouri.

 

Robert,

Please see the following link.

http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/388-diagram.6841/#post-53052

 

Robert,

Stolen right out of Joe Collias' copyrighted book Frisco Power.

 

Says "photograph courtesy of State Historical Society of Missouri" as to "ownership".

I suspect that Joe Collias used the photograph by permission and you are correct in that the book as a volume is under copyright, however, a specific photograph used within the book, seems to me that is not as cut and dried.

Old photographs are difficult to "own" unless one has the original plate or negative. In my humble opinion, you can own a copy or print, but the owner of the negative actually "owns" the photograph as he or she holds the source for all copies of the negative.

Understand that I am no lawyer, but it is my understanding that after several decades, such photographs become public domain unless the current owner of the negative or print actually files for copyright and such.

But I will say that in my worthless opinion, historical photographs ought to belong to "history" and thus historians can view the photograph, even retain a digital copy of the photograph, and not be tied up by the "this is mine and you cannot see it" mentality.

There are literally thousands of photographs that are in the hands of "enthusiasts" that will never see the light of day or be shared with others because of that mentality. Perhaps the "owners" intend to do something with them someday, or perhaps they think they have got a gold mine - why, these are worth $$$!

But instead they never do a thing with them and they go to the grave with their collection of historical photographs in folders and boxes never to be seen by history enthusiasts, modelers, what have you.

Also, "typically", once a photograph hits a museum or "historical society", they view it as a cash cow and charge quite a fee for a copy. Been there, done that, several decades ago. Paid outrageous prices to a "historical" museum to get a few poor prints of the the photographs I wanted copies of. Never again.

It is a complicated situation.

 

Shall I delete this one?

 

Robert,

As long as that photograph has been around and as often as it has been published or posted, had I been the one that posted it, I would let it ride unless the Administrators requests it be removed.

So many of such photographs have been out there so long and reused so often, how would one ever find out who truly owns the negative or the original image?

 

Wonderful photographs, Don.

The "Muley" caboose were they originally "blind end" cabooses that were modified to have a small platform for safety reasons, or what?

I see the name "Muley" appears on the SLSF schematic of same, but where did that name come from?