Modeling Scammon, KS Depot

Discussion in 'Structures' started by rjthomas909, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Good Evening,

    I am considering the addition of a Scammon Kansas section for my layout that can be removed and used in/as a Free-mo module. Can anyone suggest a good starting point for an HO-scale kit that could be modified to fit such a scene?

    As "Karl" noted a year or so back, there is a photo available from the Axe Library, but I am not aware of any others:

    http://axedigital.pittstate.edu/cdm4...=0&x=383&y=130

    Thanks in Advance,

    -Bob T.
    (from Scammon)
     
  2. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    I don't know a whole lot about kit bashing or scratch building. But I do have a speculation. Start with this:

    http://www.blairline.com/boston/
    (BTW that's Boston, MO, not Massachusetts.)

    With some slight roof modification it would look about like the right half of the building in the photo. the rest of it I don't know. If you could come up with the doors get some sheets of the correct styrene or wood that looks like the vertical boards, add a roof and you've got a depot.

    Just my 2 cents, maybe some one with more experience and or knowledge will have the answer.

    Ethan
     
  3. renapper

    renapper Passed away March 8, 2013

    The only way I know of to build a Frisco depot is from scratch. Look up the depot floor plan in the archives, that will give you the deminsions, the hieght was usually 14 foot walls. There are NO windows and doors available, so if you want the FRISCO 6 over 6 windows you will have to scratchbuild your own. Scratch building the entire building is not that hard to do. My articles on building winodws and doors, and the Beaumont, KS Depot were4 published in RMC years ago. The only picture I have is of the little leanto after the depot was torn down.
     
  4. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Ethan, I think the Boston kit would be a good starting point and/or stand-in. Dale did a superb job on this one. For my tastes, however, it is a bit too "un-Frisco" and would probably make for a better AT&SF stand-in.

    I would tend toward using some close-enough window castings, baggage doors, and Evergreen board-and-batten siding and a bit of strip-styrene to scratchbuild. The agent's bay would be pretty easy to construct, too.

    Best Regards,
     
  5. mvtelegrapher

    mvtelegrapher Member

    Bob,
    A little FYI, we have a couple of the office chairs from the Scammon depot at Carona. They are both in the office of the Boston depot. We received them from a gentleman in Scammon who said he took them out when they were tearing the depot down.

    John Chambers
    Heart of the Heartlands
    Carona, KS
     
  6. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks all. I will look around and let you know if I can find a good starting point. I was thinking about the "American Model Builders CB&Q Depot #144" but would like to compare overall dimensions. Would have to rearrange windows, etc... so probably best from scratch. Anyone know of a diagram of a similar floorplan?

    John, I have been to the great site you all have in Carona. I lived down by the grain elevator when I was very young. Still looking for a photo of that one too! I hope to visit again the next time I am home.
     
  7. Friscotony

    Friscotony Member

    I have a diagram in the Frisco Depot book put out by the old muesum. I would be more than happy to scan it for you.

    Tony
     
  8. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thank you. That would be perfect. Please let me know if there is any related cost.
     
  9. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

  10. Friscotony

    Friscotony Member

    That is the same drawing that I have. If anyone wants me to sent them a PDF of it, contact me @lalumiaa@yahoo.com. I have the entire book of diagrams "Frisco Depot Diagrams" of the Northern Division. These are mostly Kansas, some Missoui and a few in Oklahoma.

    Tony
     
  11. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Excellent. Thanks a million. I will post progress on this one...
     
  12. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I have posted a PDF and png image of the depot as I will rough out using styrene board and batten, plus Grandt Line and Tichy windows and doors.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/album.php?albumid=193

    Scammon_depot.jpg

    The PDF (file in my profile/album) can be printed to legal paper for an HO scale rough-out. The drawing was made in xfig. Let me know if you would like the original. More to come...
     
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  13. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    It looks as if things are progressing nicely. As a historical note, the freight room was cut back from its original 54'-6" x 22'-0 size to 25'-0 x 22'-0 on 12/28/1933, AFE 1344. The reduced freight room was ultimately removed on Mar 13, 1941, AFE 28336 which left a much smaller passenger-only structure, which was roughly 33' x 22'-6"

    Window and Door Bill of Mat'l
    18 Sashes, 6 light, 9" x 16"
    4 Sashes, 4 light, 9" x 16"
    1 Sash - Ticket, 1 light, 18" x 24"
    2 Transom, 4 light, 12" x 15'
    1 Transom, 6 light, 12" x 12"
    4 Doors, 2'-6" x 6'-6"
    1 Door, 2'-10" x 7'-0
    4 Doors, 5'-6" x 7'-0
     
  14. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl -
    I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate the hard data. What does AFE represent? Presumably an acronym?

    The dimensions of the windows and doors are of special interest as someone who's scratchbuilt a couple of Frisco standard plans based on nothing but floor plans. This, along with Bob's templates, should go a long way toward helping others give scratchbuilding a try.

    Best Regards,
     
  15. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    AFE = Authorization for Expenditure.
     
  16. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    They use to use a couple of different authorities.
    RFA was used to "Request for Authority" which was written to show a project and ask for monies.
    AFE as stated by Karl was the approval. Once the request was given a "AFE number" you ordered
    material and proceeded with the project.
    Most was approved if it was a capitol improvement or tax deductible.
    Bill Jackson
     
  17. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Great info. I will need to seriously consider the year represented. Can anyone give me notes on colors for the exterior?

    Thanks!
     
  18. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks for clarifying, Karl and Bill.

    Bob, I had good luck using Testor's Battleship Gray with any sort of white for the trip. However, I think that the Battleship Gray should have been toned down and made lighter.

    Here's a color photo of the Frisco Depot at Winona, MO that I believe captures the colors rather well:

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4785&d=1189644019

    Best Regards,
     
  19. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    I used gray with white trim on the Zalma depot as well.
     
  20. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    A little progress for Scammon depot model. Cut most of exterior and fit various Tichy and Grand Line doors and windows. I managed to cut down a Grandt line freight door opening that included the transom above the door, and fit a door with the same cross pattern as the Frisco photos (still need one more). I could not seem to find a ready-made window with the same peak detail on the top. Might have to make some sort of added piece.

    Edit: Fixed link to photos:


    Will work on priming and painting in the next few days (thanks for the photo from Winona for colors), and cut out a roof. Any suggestions on a roofing material type for around 1925-1930 time frame?
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2018

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