MKT in Springfield?

Discussion in 'Passenger Operations' started by Douglas wayne, Dec 23, 2016.

  1. Douglas wayne

    Douglas wayne Member

    Did they ever run thru Katy locomotives on up into Springfield on the Texas special?
  2. kenmc

    kenmc KenMc Supporter

    Oh, yes, and all the way to St. Louis. I'll post a photo when I find it.

    Ken McElreath
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  3. Douglas wayne

    Douglas wayne Member

    Just curious. Dad was/is a Texas special fan. Thanks!
  4. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Supporter Supporter

    The Katy engines sometimes ran all the way to St. Louis. I'd seen Katy (original) E-7s, E-8s and PAs at Springfield on the westbound/southbound Texas Special.

    Tom G.
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  5. Douglas wayne

    Douglas wayne Member

    I'd like to have seen that.
  6. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Supporter Supporter

    There's a fairly well known photo of the WB Texas Special leaving St. Louis coming out from an underpass led by a Katy E-8. I think that photo has been posted here (someplace??).

    Tom G.
  7. Douglas wayne

    Douglas wayne Member

    Thanks! I'll look
  8. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Take a look at the second photo on this site:
  9. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Supporter Supporter

    That's the one I was thinking of.

    Tom G.
  10. April

    April Member

    Did they ever swap engines in Vinita (the point where the train switched from the Frisco to the Katy.

    I would love to see a pic of the train moving from one to the other.

    One more thing. Did the train ever run with GP7's?
  11. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Vinita was not a scheduled stop for the Texas Special; power was not swapped at Vinita.

    It's possible that psgr geeps were used on the Tx Spl, but it would have been a rare occasion.
  12. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    In addition to being rare, it is highly unlikely that a passenger geep would have lead a mainline passenger train.

    I have seen photos of mainline trains with an E-unit up front and a GP-7 trailing (with and without a 3rd unit).

    More common was to see an F7B (one of the ones equipped with steam heat ant signal lines (no boiler) as a second unit. I've seen this more than once.

    I've even seen at least one photo of a Katy F7B between two Frisco E Units. That was in St. Louis, so the combination surely went through Springfield.

    I'll look for what books those photos are in tomorrow.

  13. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Supporter Supporter

    I think there's a picture of two Frisco E-units sandwiching a Katy F-7B in the "Frisco Southwest" book. I saw a Texas Special consist one time with a Frisco FP-7 leading and an E-8 trailing for the power.

    Tom G.
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  14. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Frisco in color volume 2 has pictures of:
    An FP7 with an E-Unit ( not connected to a train, not sure which was leading ) at Springfield
    An E unit leading an F7B on the Will Rogers
    An E unit leading an GP7 on the Will Rogers

    Since this started as a discussion of MKT units, The TRRA historical society publication on the Texas Special has a 1958 picture of two MKT FP7s leading the Texas special in St. Louis. These are in the all red scheme.

  15. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Yes, there is, on page 42.

    I think I have seen one from a higher angle in St. louis. It must be in one of the TRRA books I have around here, because I didn't see it in my Frisco or Katy books.


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