Discussion in 'Passenger Operations' started by Douglas wayne, Dec 23, 2016.
Did they ever run thru Katy locomotives on up into Springfield on the Texas special?
Oh, yes, and all the way to St. Louis. I'll post a photo when I find it.
Just curious. Dad was/is a Texas special fan. Thanks!
The Katy engines sometimes ran all the way to St. Louis. I'd seen Katy (original) E-7s, E-8s and PAs at Springfield on the westbound/southbound Texas Special.
I'd like to have seen that.
There's a fairly well known photo of the WB Texas Special leaving St. Louis coming out from an underpass led by a Katy E-8. I think that photo has been posted here (someplace??).
Thanks! I'll look
Take a look at the second photo on this site: http://www.rrsignalpix.com/tower_grove.php
That's the one I was thinking of.
Did they ever swap engines in Vinita (the point where the train switched from the Frisco to the Katy.
I would love to see a pic of the train moving from one to the other.
One more thing. Did the train ever run with GP7's?
Vinita was not a scheduled stop for the Texas Special; power was not swapped at Vinita.
It's possible that psgr geeps were used on the Tx Spl, but it would have been a rare occasion.
In addition to being rare, it is highly unlikely that a passenger geep would have lead a mainline passenger train.
I have seen photos of mainline trains with an E-unit up front and a GP-7 trailing (with and without a 3rd unit).
More common was to see an F7B (one of the ones equipped with steam heat ant signal lines (no boiler) as a second unit. I've seen this more than once.
I've even seen at least one photo of a Katy F7B between two Frisco E Units. That was in St. Louis, so the combination surely went through Springfield.
I'll look for what books those photos are in tomorrow.
I think there's a picture of two Frisco E-units sandwiching a Katy F-7B in the "Frisco Southwest" book. I saw a Texas Special consist one time with a Frisco FP-7 leading and an E-8 trailing for the power.
Frisco in color volume 2 has pictures of:
An FP7 with an E-Unit ( not connected to a train, not sure which was leading ) at Springfield
An E unit leading an F7B on the Will Rogers
An E unit leading an GP7 on the Will Rogers
Since this started as a discussion of MKT units, The TRRA historical society publication on the Texas Special has a 1958 picture of two MKT FP7s leading the Texas special in St. Louis. These are in the all red scheme.
Yes, there is, on page 42.
I think I have seen one from a higher angle in St. louis. It must be in one of the TRRA books I have around here, because I didn't see it in my Frisco or Katy books.
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