Fuel for 1522...

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  1. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    This is probably a good question for Don Wirth: What was the source for fuel for the 1522 when it was running the excursions? Was the same kind of oil available for the excursions as was available back when the engine was in company service in the 1920's, 30's and 40's?

    Thanks, Tom G.
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  2. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    We started out burning Bunker C, which we had delivered by Kiesel Fuel, but it started to get a little hard to get so we ended up using No. 6, which wasn't as heavy but still needed heating to flow. They delivered to us on the road and at home. I think a time or two we used Frontier Oil which is what Steve Lee used on the UP engines. His mix was a little closer to a No. 5. The lower the number, the bigger pain to fire as there wasn't as much heat in it.
    We got some stuff from Keisel one time that was No. 6, but looked like slimy green sewage, but burned hotter than hell.
  3. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Interesting stuff - and a question I would have never thought to ask. Is it correct that Bunker C was the "soup du jour" in the steam days of Frisco oil burners?

    I've read somewhere (probably Frisco Power) about the oil burners having a sandbox at the front of the tender where the fireman would occasionally toss in a shovel full of sand to scour out any oil residue. Is this anything that you and the 1522 crew incorporated, Don?

    It sounds like the slimy green stuff perhaps wasn't No. 6 oil? Whatever it was, it sounds like it worked splendidly. It brings to mind when my grandfather told me years ago about a DC-3 crash at takeoff - perhaps at Lambert - where someone mistakenly filled 'er up with Jet A? I suspect I'm muddling the details.

    Best Regards,
  4. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Bunker C was indeed the fuel of choice in steam days for oil burners.
    The procedure for sanding the flues was to get the engine working really good and feed sand into the firebox with a small scoop. The exhaust draft would pull it in and it would scour the soot from the inside of the flues. We usually did this after the engine had been sitting all night or has been on display with a spot fire. A lot of times if we left before light, it would be quite a show with sparks, etc. We would do this until it stopped putting out a lot of soot.
  5. paul slavens

    paul slavens Member

    Very interesting, the slimy green sewage you refer to that burns hotter than hell sounds very much like Oklahoma sweet crude oil. Its green and light with anywhere between a 29 and 34 gravity and it truly burns hotter than hell. It is just as volatile as gasoiline but has staying power to burn for a long time.
  6. paul slavens

    paul slavens Member

    10399186_100358019977174_8363907_n.jpg Notice the green color of the oil in the tank, its sweet crude, its the purest grade of oil in the world, it burns hot and is not contaminated with sulpher and carbon dioxide. I often wondered if it was used as fuel for locomotives since it was plentiful and locally available along the Frisco in Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas.
  7. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Great stuff - thanks Don and Paul. It's great to hear little details like this about the steam locomotives. It convinces me that I was born about 40 years later than I should have been born.

    Best Regards,
  8. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Burning oil was interesting. If the fire would drag on the floor a little bit, eventually you would get a buildup of a clinker like material which would then disperse the flame. Sometimes you would get a Statue of Liberty in there. At the end of the day, we would take the slash bar and break it up and get it out of there.
    That sweet crude looks like that stuff we got the one load of. It did burn HOT.
  9. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Well said!

    (It is OK to leave out the pesky details of 2 major wars, the Depression, infectious diseases, etc.)
  10. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    In some respects, I'm not convinced we have it any better now. More comfortable, more electronics but no safer.

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