Frisco Power in Color

Discussion in 'General' started by gstout, Feb 4, 2017.

  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The two chain cars, which are in the train consist would seem to point to a local, which might be working between Lindenwood and Cuba or Newburg. The three switchers might be headed the the Springfield shops for schedule service.
     
  2. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I thought it might be a good idea to update this thread as it has been a few months since the last post. So far I have captioned about 220 images and have managed to track down (I think--there may be one of the "critters" I am still missing) at least one of every species of locomotive on the roster. What began as "Frisco in Color, Vol. 3" has, at the direction of the publisher, become "Frisco Diesel Power in Color." As such there will be around 300 images to appear in the book, many of them roster shots, but none of them Cascade Green and black. However, I am still wrestling with the issue of who actually holds the rights to these images, as most of them came from our own archives, but originated elsewhere. Sometimes I have multiple duplicates of the same image from several sources. Therefore, I will say again, if anyone reading this has contributed an image to the Archives and does not want it to appear in print, or expects to be compensated in any material way for that photo appearing in the book, please contact me via PM and I will remove it and substitute something else. I simply cannot, and the publisher will not, compensate anyone for the use of images, either with money or complimentary copies of the book. As I said in an earlier post, I know this probably comes across in a less than friendly way, but this is a business situation and I want everybody involved to understand up front what is the deal. I did promise, and I will follow through on my promise, to make a contribution to the Archive so that we can obtain additional photos as they come available on auction sites or wherever, but that is all I will be able to do.

    Thanks for understanding.

    GS
     
  3. paul slavens

    paul slavens Member

    I donated a pile of money multiple times to the "slide fund" in order to help build the archive on this site. I do not want or need any payback or any free copy of a book as a thank you for my support for all the slides that my donations purchased. I never realized I was actually helping provide you with a massive slide collection to use in a for profit business endeavor. I suggested slides should be purchased, then posted to the archive, and then sold but Charlie insisted they be kept. Keeping the slides made no sense to me then but it is crystal clear now why they were kept. I will not be donating any more money to build any more personal slide collections..LOL Best of luck with your book sales.
     
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  4. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Last Call.

    Below I have listed the names found on some of the slides I will be using for the Frisco in Color V3 book. There were many other images that I also used, but they did not have individual photographers' names anywhere on the slide mount, so I don't know where they originated. These will be credited "Frisco Archives Collection." Other slides came from the publisher and will appear as "Morning Sun Books Collection.".

    So here's the deal: I am finished with the manuscript and will be sending it off to the publisher in the next few days (I am still polishing up the introduction). However, if your name, or the name of someone whose slides have come into your custody, appears on this list and you do not wish these photos to be used in the book, as my old trigonometry teacher used to say, speak now or forever hold yourself in pieces Once this is gone, it's gone.

    To anticipate a FAQ, in general, it takes about 10-12 months from the time I submit a final draft until a book appears in print, so figure some time late next year. To those who helped out identifying locations, as well as those who offered words of encouragement along the way, my thanks. As the nuns used to tell us, "it's another star in your crown when you get to heaven." With that as prologue, here's the list:

    Stanley McCarthy
    J. Thompson
    Vernon Ryder Jr.
    Howard J. Wayt
    C. G. Parsons
    James Claflin
    Allan Roberts
    Alan Miller
    Dennis Conniff
    Larry White
    Gene Gant
    John Nixon
    K. C. Henkels
    Michael Wise
    James Primm
    William White
    Chuck Frey
    Charlie Dischinger (collection)
    George Henge
    Bob Gottier
    Ken Wulfert
    Don Heiberger
    Steve Gartner
    Bill Phillips
    Jerry Bosanek
    James Holder
    Paul Dalman
    J. M. McMillan
    John Picarelli
    G. E. Stadter

    GS
     
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  5. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Greg,

    I just sent another load of slides to Bob, some of them are good ones too.

    Charlie
     
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  6. Hey Greg
    My dad and or I aren’t on this list but you still have slides I think you are using. Are we supposed to be on list or did you just know we are a “yes”?
    Thanks, Steve
     
  7. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Knew you were okay with this since we had spoken earlier.

    GS
     
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  8. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    One more thing:

    Despite the best efforts of several of us, we have been unable to secure a photo of Frisco Whitcomb 44-ton "Critter" #3. If anyone has a line on an image of this little guy, please advise; otherwise we will go to press with this one gap in our coverage.

    Thanx!

    GS
     
  9. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Probably wouldn't hurt to include just one single black and white photo so as to not forget the little engine.

    Tom G.
     
  10. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I would if I had one.

    GS
     
  11. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    On this website in the Frisco Archives in the AJ (Arthur Johnson) collection, about 10 or 12 down, there's one of Arthur's photos of #3 at Pensacola.

    Tom G.
     
  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Greg -
    And I told you I had a b/w print of #3 (from Art Johnson) back in May. That communication is in this thread.

    I also have two digital images of #3, both b/w, from sources unknown. One is marked "eBay do not print", so it is no good. The other image is clear. Both images are different than Art's print, so there are at least three known pics of Whitcomb SLSF #3.

    I no doubt got these from eBay listings, or from some other on-line source. Again, I don't know whose images they are; I copied them for my own use in detailing, answering questions, my own desire to have a pic of every SLSF unit (not so yet!), etc. I have a huge file of SLSF locomotive images from unknown sources dedicated to that end use. I have very rarely sent these out to others as they are not my images, and I have no idea whose they are.
    K
     
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  13. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I will forward the AJ image to the publisher and see whether he is willing to live with one B&W, Thanks for reminding me about this.

    FOLLOW UP: We are going to use it.

    GS
     
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  14. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    You could colorize it. Some of the photos in Marre/ Sommer's Frisco in Color appear to be colorized black & white images.

    Rich
     
  15. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Could, I guess. Publisher says he's okay with the B&W as long as we identify it as such, I guess, so readers don't think we boogered up the reproduction.

    GS
     
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  16. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    My vote, for what it's worth, would be to leave it in the book as a b/w pic. I don't like colorized pics - don't know how realistic they are.

    K
     
  17. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    How about a book of B&W photos!
     
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  18. pwharris

    pwharris Member

    In regard to copyright you must have a written permission from the maker of the image to use it. Mere possetion of the image does not provide permission to use the image.
     
  19. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    To P. Harris: You are correct.

    To Meteor 910: I agree.

    To Frisco Charlie: Good luck finding a publisher.

    GS
     
  20. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Smoke Over Oklahoma – The Railroad Photographs of Preston George is a B&W book isn't it?
     
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