Frisco doodlebugs 1913

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  1. john

    john FRISCO.org Supporter

    I recently stumbled across this and thought it was interesting. Hopefully not TOO many typos.

    Source: Electric Railway Journal, Vol XLII No 14 (Oct 4, 1913)

    General Electric gas-electric Cars operating on the Frisco in mid-1913.
    1. Type of car (CRE = Center & Rear Exit) (CE = Center Exit)
    2. Length of car (total)
    3. Length of baggage compartment
    4. Number of seats
    5. Weight in tons
    6. Shipped (from G.E.)
    7. Where used
    8. Route miles
    9. Max. grade
    10. Daily reven mileage
    11. Scheduled speed
    12. Number of interm. stops
    13. (Note)

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8ft, 86sts, 50t, 9/1911, Muskogee-Westville OK, 72mi, 1 ½%, 144mi, 20.5mph, 15stops

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8ft, 86sts, 50t, 10/1911, Lawton OK-Quanah TX, 94mi, 1%, 188mi, 22mph, 15stops, (23 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 3/1912, Dallas-Sherman TX, 76mi, 1 ½%, 152mi, 24 3/4mi, 18stops

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 3/1912, Bolivar-Chadwick, MO, 73mi, 2.3%, 146mi, 20mph, 19stops (Route has 4 mi. of 2% continuous grade; hauls 25 ton trailer 66 mi. daily)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 4/1912, Kansas City-Clinton, MO, 87mi, 2 ½%, 174mi, 22mph, 28stops, (23 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91 sts, 52t, 4/1912, Enid-Clinton, OK, 94mi, 1 ½%, 188mi, 23 ½mph, 12stops, (23 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8, 86sts, 50t, 8/1911, Cape Girardeau-Popular Bluff, MO, 64mi, no grade listed, 128mi, 20mph, 25stops (23 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8, 86sts, 50t, 6/1911, Brownsville-Sam Fordyce, TX, 78mi, 0, 156mi, 22mph, 17stops

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8, 86sts, 50t, 9/2011, Orange, Newton, TX, 62mi, 0, 124mi, 18mph, 16stops, (23 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 7/1912, Fort O’Connor-Victoria-Austwell, TX, 70mi, 0, 204mi, 21mph, 10stops, (Ten stops in 52 miles)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 8/1912, Houston-Beaumont, TX, 89mi, 0, 178mi, 22mph, 17stops, (20 ton trailer)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B11, 91sts, 52t, 7/1912, New Orleans-Shell Beach, LA, 29mi, 0, 116mi, 14 ½ mph, 15stops, (Hauls 2 trailers weighing 45 tons 13 miles each day)

    Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B11, 91sts, 52t, 9/1912 Excursion Service

    Frisco Lines, CRE, 70ft, B 8, 86sts, 50t, 7/1911 Spare Equipment

    Quanah, Acme & Pacific, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 8/1912, Quanah-Paducah, TX, 43mi, 1%, 86mi, 17mph, 6 stops
     
  2. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    I want one. Bull Moose.
    i wonder if the Bachmann Spectrum would provide a suitable kitbash project?
     
  3. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Jim, the Spectrum Motorcar could provide basic fodder for your work, but for the Bull Moose, it may be too new. Do you have any pix of it? There should be at least one here on the site, I think... otherwise I have a bunch I can't post but would send you copies for your work.
     
  4. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Thanks. I think I posted a pic a while back. I'll check. All I need right now is another project:) It would really set the scene to have it idling at the Brownwood depot!
     
  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Nice find, John. I've always enjoyed catching bits and pieces of Bull Moose data from the old Frisco Employee's Magazines, in terms of which lines saw this service.

    I have a Spectrum bull moose in AT&SF "warbonnet" colors. If I had my druthers, it would be stripped and repainted. However, if we get our layout built around to Kansas City Union Station, my son plans on using it for, say, a KC-Lawrence local or what-not.

    Jim, here's a photo of River Division Bull Moose action from Tallipoosa. The 1400-class 4-6-0 is pretty nice, too.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1653-River-Division-Motorcars&p=12850#post12850

    Best Regards,
     
  6. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Walthers made a doodlebug a few years ago which was a dead on match for two of the Frisco units. If memory serves, #2125 & 2126. I made a decal set for them. These were not Bull Moose GE's, but EMC units with a flat face.
     
  7. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    My layout won't be complete without one. Surely I could cobble something together to pass for an early River Division Bull Moose. Hmmm... Next project?
     
  8. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hmmmm - Frisco Lines, CE, 70ft, B 11, 91sts, 52t, 4/1912, Kansas City-Clinton, MO, 87mi, 2 ½%, 174mi, 22mph, 28stops, (23 ton trailer)

    28 stops???? So, these were flag stops? Perhaps in the middle of nowhere?

    OBTW - Thanks!
     
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Need to check sources, but given the 2-1/2% grade, I believe that this was the Leaky Roof. The climb out of the Blue River Valley from Mastin to the siding at "Blue" was 2-1/2% to 3%.
     
  10. timothy_cannon

    timothy_cannon Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Jim, one of these would look great on your layout. This pic is from Jack Forbes site.
     

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  11. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Great photo! Love how they spelled "Bool Moose" I also built a wooden coal shed just like that one! Thanks for posting this. It seals the deal on me creating one of these.
     
  12. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    I found the Bachmann Spectrum set with DCC for $89. I would have to do some serous kitbashing including scratchbuilding the nose. Keith, looks like I'll need those photos for a good modeling reference. Wish there was a good builders photo or deminsional drawings available. Hot dog! Time to get busy. Got to order the Doodlebug, detail parts, decals(might be a problem) and collect photos and such. Yee Haw!
     
  13. john

    john FRISCO.org Supporter

    How about a bad photo?
     

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  14. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Nice, thanks! I may be biting off more than my skills can chew. I wonder what year that photo was taken. Maybe I could graft the rear end of a Pullman observation coach to model that doodlebug rear. I wonder how long that is.
     
  15. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    There was a multi-part series about the Doodlebugs in All Aboard. I thought you were looking for a flat nose versions, so try mid to late 1988 issues through Jan 1989. The later ones had some drawings.
     
  16. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

  17. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Look at all those rivets! I think the body would have to be entirely scratchbuilt to get the right look. I don't know about this. Looks like I would have to shorten the Bachmann frame and build up from there. Sheet styrene body, rivet detail and some brass castings where possible.
     
  18. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Archer Rivet Decals. Too easy! What's the matter Jim? Ain't scared are ya?
     
  19. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Very scared, my friend. I've never applied rivets for one thing and the whole body will have to be scratchbuilt. I guess I'll order the Bachmann doodlebug and see how far this project gets. But yes, this will be a daunting task that may be beyond my skill level. It's just that I want one of these old Frisco motor cars so bad.
     

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