Frisco 3749 is for sale

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  1. train61

    train61 Member

  2. shostetler

    shostetler Member

    This should be brought up to the city of Augusta Kansas, the Depot is still there, along with the old Semaphore, not to mention literally about 200 ft of track STILL in place in front of the depot. I'm sure the City would buy it in a heartbeat!
  3. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    I'd love to see 3749 saved and restored to its proper SLSF appearance, but as is so often the case, buying it will be the easy part. The locomotive is located in downtown Orlando, Florida, on track that is parallel, but not connected, to the CSX double-track mainline which is reasonably busy. There is no clearance between the locomotive and the old depot that it sits in front of, so cranes would have to work from the active track side, blocking both mains. You would probably have to set the locomotive and tender over onto the active track and then move it about half a city block to the nearest grade crossing and reload it onto a lowboy at that point as the locomotive will not be able to be moved any distance on its own wheels because of the plain bearing journals. CSX, even if it were generally cooperative in the venture, would not want to allow their mainline to be blocked for any significant period of time and would certainly require that the lifting and moving be done professionally. I can well imagine that just getting the locomotive to the point where it is loaded on a lowboy trailer and clear of the railroad would cost more than what you would have paid for the locomotive itself. And then, of course, you have to move it somewhere and unload it.

    I hate to sound like the prophet of doom, and I really, REALLY, hope a way can be found to save 3749, but you have to be realistic as to what will be involved. The good news is that they have kept her painted (incorrectly) these years so that she is not rusting to pieces and has had any asbestos boiler lagging removed. The bad news is that the cost will be well into six figures before all is done.

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  4. MFreix

    MFreix Member

    By looking at this unit from the bird's eye perspective on bing I would have to say that this would be an insanely pricey move to make. The logistics would be crazy with all the buildings surrounding the track. I don't think CSX would be to keen on making this happen - not without a s*!t ton of money exchanging hands.
  5. train61

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  6. train61

    train61 Member

    I got an answer to my e-mail.:)

    It is still available but not on the active market at the moment

    John Suscheck/CEO
    Ozark Mountain Railcar L.L.C

    So ok, "Old Duke" they call him, is still not sold.:)

    Jason Ross
    Bham Sub-Div
    (be happier if 3749 was in Bham)

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Is 3749 still operational or is it just a standing-still monument?
  8. train61

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  9. Forwarded from the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society listserv:

    Orlando selling steam locomotive, passenger cars
    Published: November 30, 2011

    ORLANDO, Fla. – The City of Orlando is selling a steam locomotive and passenger cars that were once part of the Church Street Station restaurant in the city's downtown. Included are former Frisco 0-6-0 No. 3749, which has been re-lettered for Seaboard Air Line. The engine was built by Baldwin in 1913 and believed to have been a switcher at Pensacola, Fla. Also for sale are a former Union Pacific dome and two heavyweight club cars.

    The city is offering the engine and cars for display, historic renovation, or potentially salvage. It is estimated that the cost for mobilization, permitting, loading, and transporting may range from $275,000 to $350,000, subject to the final shipment location.

    Interested parties will be responsible for providing the equipment for removal, transportation, and other related expenses. The city of Orlando wants the equipment removed from the site no later than Dec. 29, 2011.

    The city is asking for letters of interest by Dec. 9, 2011. Offers and inquiries are to be sent to: City of Orlando, Attn: David Billingsley 400 S. Orange Avenue Orlando, FL, 32801, david.billingsley at, (407) 246-2897.
  10. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Actually I think they will give it away if you can jump through all the hoops. It's not in the best place to load up and move.
  11. I'm not a complete steam expert, but I do know alot about engines. This maybe a real stupid question, but is there a way to dismantle the locomotive and put them on smaller trailers??? The two largest things I know of would be the tender and the boiler. But the cab, smaller parts and trucks/drive wheels could be carried away a bit easier. Plus the boiler could be moved on rollers, maybe onto the trailer(Yes I do understand the weight of a steam engine). This would do away with the cranes. It would take alot more trips though. Just throwing out some ideas.
    Ship it on the Frisco!!!

    Murphy Jenkins.
    P.S. Brian, I'm not to be meaning this to sound mean, but it maybe the best way to help if a larger group gets the engine to just donate money toward its move/restoration. I know you want a real engine at your museum, trust me I'd love having a caboose or engine, but you just have to wait. I know plenty good size depot muesums that have yet to obtain any cars or engines.
  12. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I think what makes it difficult is the location. You could separate the boiler from the running gear, but it would still take a crane to do it.Cooperation from CSX and the property owners is imperitive or nothing will happen. I agree that seeing it back in it's authentic Frisco livery would be super, but it's going to take a lot more than just wishing. It's a big expensive job and the restoration would be the easy part.
  13. Alright. Too bad the plan wouldn't work. Even if it did I know it would take it about $50,000 easy. How come the city wants to get rid of the train cars? Do they plan to get rid of the historic station to make way for something else, or is CSX wanting more room on the line(since the cars are alittle close to the line). If they do end up scrapping the poor cars I would like for the headlight and some other parts(Too Bad the Coonskin # plate is already gone) to go to Frisco museum or atleast to a Frisco fan who will take care of them.
    Ship it on the Frisco!!!

    Murphy Jenkins
  14. Brian waller

    Brian waller Member

    I talk to Florida RR Museum, and they are hoping to get Frisco 3749 and the railcars. They already have a home for the locomotive & tender and some need for the railcars. They will not know anything until sometime this week.

    I also talk to them about making future plan on getting Frisco 3749 move up to Arkansas. I sure yet, but it is in the work.

    If anyone know any other information please share. I will try to keep you all inform if The Florida RR Museum get ahold of the train at Orlando.

    Brian Waller
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  15. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

  16. Brian waller

    Brian waller Member

    Hi there,

    I am not sure who is keeping you guys up-to-date here,

    I don't if you guys know this or not, but I just been inform the Frisco #3749 is save along with the cars. The Locomotive & Cars were awarded to The Florida RR Museum in Parrish, FL.

    I just thought you guys might want to know this.

    Brian Waller
  17. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Since #3749 has found a home and is no longer for sale, I am closing this thread.
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