Freight Traffic And Routing - Icing Stations, Yards, Priority Trains, Piggyback Autos, Oil Train

Discussion in 'Freight Operations' started by chris, May 21, 2001.

  1. chris

    chris Guest

    Regular And Emergency Icing Stations

    I was rather surprised that there were not more icing stations listed in what official documentation I could find.

    As a preface to specific locations, a Regular Icing Station, as defined by my 1926 "Lists of Officers, Stations, Agents, Etc." is " a station, so designated by carrier, which is equipped and located so as to insure proper icing service of refrigerator cars, also where the icing of through shipments is regularly performed."

    However, an Emergency Icing Station is defined as "a station...which is not equipped or located to take care of the regular icing of refrigerator cars, but
    where an ice supply is procurable and refrigerator cars can, in cases of emergency, or by special arrangements, be iced subject to delay.
    "

    Have you thought of including an icing platform for your steam-era or early diesel reefer operations?

    Thus, if you're interested in modeling true to prototype and want to include an icing platform, here are the locations of icing stations in 1926:

    Regular Icing Stations
    Afton, OK (Only for NB traffic from Southwestern to Northern Divisions)
    Birmingham, AL
    Ft. Smith, AR
    Harvard, AR
    Kansas City, MO
    Monett, MO
    Oklahoma City, OK
    St. Louis, MO
    Sapulpa, OK
    Sherman, TX
    Springfield, MO
    Wichita, KS


    Emergency Icing Stations
    Ada, OK
    Afton, OK (Except NB traffic from Southwestern to Northern Divisions)
    Amory, MS
    Cape Girardeau, MO
    Chaffee, MO
    Dallas, TX
    Enid, OK
    Fayetteville, AR
    Ft. Scott, KS
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Holdenville, OK
    Hugo, OK
    Joplin, MO
    Lawton, OK
    Memphis, TN
    Paris, TX
    Pittsburg, KS
    Rogers, AR
    Thayer, MO
    Tulsa, OK
    Willow Springs, MO


    Of course, there's always the option of including an icing station regardless, but if the location you are modeling does NOT include an icing station, you can always use that extra room for something else. In my case, omitting the emergency icing station at Chaffee will allow for more room for locomotive servicing facilities, since my layout design includes a narrow, shelf-style layout.

    As always, if anyone has pictures of Frisco icing operations, I would be interested in seeing them posted to the Resource Center.

    So, ice down those reefers and Ship IT on the Frisco!
     
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  2. chris

    chris Guest

    Freight Yards - Switch Engine Shifts Per Day and Yard Car Capacities

    From 1955 Frisco company data:
     

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  3. chris

    chris Guest

    CTB-QLA-BTX Company Brochure

    CTB-QLA-BTX Company Brochure. I left off the front/back illustrations since they do not lend any specifics on the operation of the trains themselves.

    My personal collection.
     

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  4. chris

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    Piggyback Automobile Transport Trailers In Piggy-back Service - Chrysler Plant - Fenton, MO - 1959

    Piggyback auto transport from 1959. Chrysler Plant in Fenton, MO.

    Frisco Transportation Company (FTC) loaded automobile transport trailers in piggy-back service on 86' Trailer Train (TTX) flat cars.

    Published in the Frisco Museum's "All Aboard" magazine. Posted with permission.
     

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  5. don

    don Guest

    These must have been concept cars if the photos were taken in 1955. They are all '58 models.
     
  6. paul

    paul Guest

    I already pointed this out to Chris, but since Don mentioned the cars, Trailer Train:

    a) didn't exist until the very end of 1955, and

    b) didn't have any 85 foot flatcars until 1959.

    Also, I thought the cars looked more like 1959 Plymouths.

    Paul
     
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  7. richard

    richard Guest

    The cars are '59's and the trailers belong to "Auto Convoy".

    In my book "American Car Haulers" I have illustrated a photo of these same units being unloaded.

    "Piggybacking" of auto trailers began in 59 and ended in the mid-60's.

    Bi- and tri-level automobile racks made piggybacking automobiles in trailers on flat cars (TOFC) service obsolete, but took years to phase in nationwide.
     
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  8. qaprr

    qaprr Guest

    The Chrysler Fenton Plant started production in September 1959.

    TOFC began on the Frisco in 1955.

    Frisco started experimenting with the tri-level in 1959, but, as the picture indicates hauled autos piggyback style for several years.
     
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  9. chris

    chris Guest

    Frisco Folks:

    Many thanks for the clarifications.

    Unfortunately my 1950s-era knowledge is not terribly strong, and I'm quite ignorant on my older car model years.

    I have not had time to dig out the old museum article and see if the date was printed inaccurately or if it was my own blasted fault for not proofreading properly.

    Regardless, I appreciate the efforts to make sure that the information is correct!
     
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  10. chris

    chris Guest

    Wartime Oil Train, Southeastern Jct., Headed Down River Division - March 1943

    Folks:

    Reference William Barham's, courtesy Don Wirth, photo of a Frisco Oil Train at SE Jct. in March, 1943, heading down the River Division.

    Curiosity has gotten the best of me. Operationally, I'd always assumed that (1) most oil hauled on the Frisco came from Oklahoma and Texas, and (2) any oil bound for the Frisco's southeastern ports (Pensacola and Mobile via AT&N) would have been routed to Springfield and then to Memphis.

    So, what is an oil train of this length doing heading south on the River Division?

    My best guess is that this oil could have been bound for Chaffee, at which point various cars may have been destined for individual oil companies throughout the River Division by way of local trains.

    Or, is there an alternative?

    I know I've read and heard of some interesting freight routing that seems to defy logic. Perhaps this is another instance.

    I'd bee very pleased if anyone has the insight to enlighten me.

    I'm just glad that there's at least documented evidence allowing me to possibly model a string of tanks on the River Division!

    Regards,

    Chris Abernathy
    Columbia MO
    (Modeling the Frisco's River Division in HO-Scale c. 1943)
     

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  11. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Does anyone know where there might be a photo of the Ft Smith icing station or any photo of Frisco's icing station?

    Googled it and got hotel ads. Haha

    Also, what is the spacing for line poles beside the ROW?

    Joe
     
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  12. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris,

    Could be empties going back for more?

    K
     
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  14. kenmc

    kenmc KenMc Frisco.org Supporter

    Since the Eastern Division was glutted with trains of oil moving from Oklahoma to St Louis, I believe the Frisco was routing the return empties via the River Division to Turrell, Arkansas and then to Springfield in order to keep things moving smoothly, and the extra time returning was of little consequence.

    Nothing slows traffic like opposing direction traffic.

    Ken McElreath
     
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  15. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    I am a skeptic of the suggested long reroute for returning westward tank car traffic. Is there evidence to support the theory?

    The one exception of a routing down the River Division and then back up to Springfield could be a line blockage due to an emergency – derailment, etc. However, this would be very short term.

    Skepticism is based on a number of thoughts. First it does nothing to relieve the traffic flow or number of trains from Springfield west. Unfortunately however, it does delay and impede the flow of needed empty tank cars back to refineries in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.

    Such a circuitous routing at the height of the war seems unlikely for the following additional reasons.

    Over a 200% increase in mileage – 502.1 verses 232.6 miles.
    At least twice the crew expense – 4 subdivisions verses 2.
    Delays equipment availability - increases by at least 2 times the turnaround for available equipment.
    Unnecessary artificial higher equipment demand (tank car, locomotive, etc.) for a given refinery output.
    One way traffic creates artificial imbalances of crews, equipment.
    Imbalance results in increased need to deadhead equipment and crews.
    Inefficient use of scarce resources at a time of high demand for personnel, fuel, rolling stock, etc.
    Inadequate facilities to house crews and service equipment at Turrell, Arkansas.

    Intuitively the thoughts of smooth moving, no time constraint and opposing traffic do not appear to stand up in light of the above, especially considering the war emergency at the time. Also, do not forget the influence of the War Production Board trying to increase production efficiency and squeeze out all waste.

    It will be interesting to apply the scientific method to any evidence to support the long reroute theory.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  16. Phred

    Phred Member

    Could this be finished products coming from the Wood River Refinery?

    Just a thought; the refinery was built in 1917.

    FRED
     
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  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    There were three oil refinery operations at Wood River - Shell, Amoco (I think), and a third (Sinclair maybe?).

    I almost took a job at Shell Wood River in 1964. There also was a Mobil refinery down at Sauget, across from St Louis.

    Refined products could have come from any of the four for shipment on the Frisco down the River Division.

    Ken
     
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  18. Phred

    Phred Member

    The Shell refinery was the one I was thinking about.

    I knew there were others, but I toured the Shell refinery with the St. Louis ASME.

    I thought I was going to tour one of the other refineries when they had a tour of the Conoco-Phillips refinery, but it ended up being the same one.
     
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