Discussion in 'Clinton Subdivision' started by Karl, Mar 10, 2007.
Circa early 60's. Note that the Frisco served a former MKT industry here.
KC Terminal Division - Grandview Branch Industry Schematic dated 4-1979
I've finally gotten around to building the section of my layout between Harrisonville and Blairstown (picture).
This is a corner of the layout, and I have decided that instead of having the corner just be a connecting track between Blairstown and Harrisonville, I would model it as a portion of East Lynne.
What I'm going to put on the module is the connection between the frisco and the old MKT mainline.
I've got a pretty good idea of the layout of the East Lynne Elevator, at least enough that i can lay out the trackage. What I need more information about is the Frisco Trestle Team Track shown in the 1979 track diagrams.
It does not appear in Karl's father's field notes, so It would have been built at a later time. Does anyone know when?
Does anyone happen to have a photograph of the site?
Does anyone know what was delivered here? I'm assuming some kind of aggregates, possibly even coal, probably in hoppers, but I would certainly appreciate any information someone could give me.
If I understand correctly, your question is about the nature of the structure at Spot 155. The Frisco used the former MKT trestle, which crossed a small tributary of Camp Branch Creek, as a location for dumping bulk, granular materials. As I recall, fertilizer and road metal (crushed limestone) for county highway projects were unloaded at this location. As you know, a former Leaky Roof trestle at Harrisonville was used in a similar matter.
Bridge 51.3, the Clinton Sub mainline:
Open-deck pile trestle
5 piles per bent
4-ply chord, 8" x 16" stringer
6" x 8" x 9' ties
Last piling renewal, 1922
Max panel length, 14'-6"
Max height, 17'
Total length 124'
Bridge 51.3A, former MKT mainline:
Open-deck pile and frame trestle
5 bents, pile
2 bents, frame
5/4 piles/posts per bent
3-ply chord, 8" x 16" stringer
6" x 8" x 9' ties
Last piling renewal, ?
Max height, ?
Given the topography, we can assume a similar height to the Frisco bridge
Max panel length, 14'-8"
Total length 84'
Of recent interest to me is the Frisco section house, which appeared to be extant during the early 60's. I'll be in the area during the Christmas holiday, and I think a field trip to East Lynne is in order. The 7-1/2 minute topo sheet was published during 1954.
I really like the way that your Mellville-Dodson area looks.
Thanks Karl, that was the kind of information I was looking for.
I knew that there was a spot for hopper unloading at Harrisonville, I didn't know it used the trestle for this purpose. I haven't gotten to the industrial spots in Harrisonville yet, so I'll definitely have to build the trestle spot there as well.
Would some of the ties have been removed to facility dropping material through the trestle deck?
I think I need to get working on some trestles now....
Thanks. I haven't built the benchwork for that section yet. We're renting our current house, and may move before I get to that point, so it may need to be re-worked to fit a different space. The rest of the layout will be coming with us however. (one nice thing about using relatively narrow modules as a shelf layout is that you can always find some place to set them up.)
I grew up in Harrisonville and my mom sold real estate all over that area, so I passed through East Lynne quite often on real-estate related errands while in high school. The elevator was still receiving covered hoppers as late as Spring 1984, but any activity at the trestle looked to be long gone. There used to be a utility pole yard along the Frisco mainline stub, I think it was used by the local utility co-op.
Do you have any recollection of the Frisco Section House?
What era are are you modeling?
I am curious how you plan to have the Frisco trains return to their tracks at Dodson. Will you be adding crossover turnouts or a diamond to cross the Missouri Pacific?
Hope this helps.
I am modeling 1971.
Neither. The Frisco abandoned their mainline from BV junction to Dodson in 1967, the track arrangement is based on the post retirement alignment.
See http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/clinton-sub-retirement-bv-jct-dodson.1441/#post-8119 for more information.
I do not remember a Frisco section house at East Lynne. I did not "discover" the metropolis of East Lynne (which dwarfed nearby Gunn City!) until early '80's. My biggest impression of "downtown" East Lynne was how flat, and devoid of details, the land was around the rail right-of-ways with hardly any indication of commerce except the grain elevator.
Just FYI, here's the track plan I'll be using for the East Lynne section of the layout.
I already have the benchwork constructed (it was finished in September), and I have been working on laminating 3/4" extruded foam onto the module (to a total height of 3"). I'm hoping to have at least the track completed before the Spring semester starts in January.
After the heavy rains passed Knob Noster on New Years Eve, I took drive to East Lynne to see if the Frisco section house was still extant. Unless it has been moved elsewhere, it no longer exits.
I also tried to get pictures of the East Lynne Elevator, the Trestle Team Track, and the "junction" with the Highline. Unfortunately the junction and the "elevator" were behind fences, and I didn't cross them.
The bridge D-51.3A and the former Katy ROW was adjacent to a city park, and the MKT ROW even had a hand-painted sign which declared "the Katy Trail". I took several shots along the ROW and of the trestle site. There is little evidence to show that the trestle was used to unload granular bulk commodities, and the site is overgrown with small trees and brush.
Photo 1: This pic is looking NE(compass), and it show the current elevator complex. It was located behind fences and a closed gate, so I didn't get any close up pictures. The building on the left dates back to when the Highline was in operation.
Photo 2: This photos show where the Highline crossed Pearl Street. The dump can be seen across the street; the camera is looking RR south.
Photo 3: This photo was taken on the ROW near the small pond, which was located just north of the rr dump. See the topo sheet posted earlier in this thread. There is a small drainage structure here. The camera is looking east (compass).
Photo 4: In this photo, I have moved eastward to about the location of the municipal boundary. There is a fence here. This is also the approaximate location of the turnout from which the elevator spur diverged. The camera is looking compass east, and the elevator complex can be seen through the brush.
Photo 5: Ditto Photo 3
Photo 6: This photo was taken at the same location as Photo 4; the camera is looking compass west.
Photo 7: This photo was taken just a little to the west of the pond, and it is looking compass west.
Photo 8: Photo 8 was taken in the same vicinity as Photo 7 and it is also looking compass west.
Photo 9: This photo show the eastern abutment of br D51.3A
Photo 10: This photo was taken from the eastern abutment of the trestle, and it is looking down at several of the cut pilings.
Photo 11: This photo show the western bridge abutment.
Photo 12: This photo shows the western abutment and "unloading area" under the trestle. It is difficult to find any evidence that this was a "team area".
Photo 13: This photo show the north side of the west abutment.
From Richard Crabtree on Frisco Rails Across Missouri:
Here we are at the Frisco Depot at East Lynne, Missouri, Eastern Division, Clinton Sub. East Lynne had both the Frisco and MKT "Katy" lines running through it. East Lynne was platted in 1871. The city took its name from the novel East Lynne by Ellen Wood. A post office has been in operation at East Lynne since 1871. The 2 story station appears to be a station/section house? The pre 1916 built depot has a back staircase per the photo and blueprint. But it would be replaced by a a single story station seeing the 1950s photo.
Photo 1) Frisco Depot at East Lynne, Missouri 1910 time frame
Photo 2) Frisco Depot at East Lynne, Missouri Blueprint ~ MSU Digital collection
Photo 3) East Lynne Missouri Map ~ showing the Frisco and KATY Lines
Photo 4) Frisco Depot at East Lynne, Missouri August 1950 Train 21 departing East Lynne ~ Charlie Wherry Collection
Karl Brand: ...From the rear of train 21, and looking railroad north.
Click here for overhead view ~ you can see the old rail bed south of town heading SE-NW
The KCOS built several, two-story depots between Coburg and Clinton, i.e., Swope Park, East Lynne, Latour, Quick City, Blairstown, and Maurine. The upper story contained a Kitchen and Bedroom for the agent/operator.
The Katy’s Holden Subdivision, which passed through East Lynne, ran from Paola, KS via Harrisonville to Bryson, MO. The Holden Sub was also known as the Highline, which caused some confusion with the Frisco’s Highline. The Katy abandoned the Holden Sub during 1959, and the Frisco assumed operation of portions of the Holden Sub in Harrisonville and East Lynne in order to serve the former Katy industries. The Frisco built a short connection at East Lynne to reach the Katy mainline. See the attached map from my dad’s notes.
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