Decal Special Run

Discussion in 'General' started by Joe Lovett, Jan 15, 2016.

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What locomotive decals do you want to see next?

Poll closed Mar 31, 2017.
  1. GP-7L (133)

    12 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. VO-1000 (38)

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. RS-1 (11)

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
  4. RS-2 (4)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. S-2 (6)

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  6. F units A and B (153)

    8 vote(s)
    44.4%
  7. U-25B (24)

    6 vote(s)
    33.3%
  8. H-10-44 (17)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 44 Ton (9)

    4 vote(s)
    22.2%
  10. GP-35 (24)

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    On the sheet that does the GP7, lettering for the QA&P units would be nice.

    Paul
     
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  2. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Paul, I'll see what I can do. Will try to get the ATN added on RS-1 units also when they are in the artwork stage.

    Joe
     
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  3. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Keith is correct on the color of the Yellow - the 3W one!
    The 1W is too Orange and the 2W is too Gold!
     
  4. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    The Kodak printer is a far better than my old ALPS printer. I am positive it will print Yellows better than mine.
     
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  5. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    I need a list of all black and yellow Frisco locomotives so we can prioritize what locomotives to do in what order.

    Joe
     
  6. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    decaling a GP7 these days. The barricade trips, are from decals I have had a long time, screen printed I think (correct me if I am wrong Keith) The barricade decals closely match the 3W decals IMHO. The decals in the step wells and front of steps are from a decal sheet that more closly matches the 2W. I think we need to bear in mind that when these decals are laid over black it changes the Yellow a bit to. But thats just my opinion.
    shown to highlight the differences.

    DSCN1645.JPG
    DSCN1647.JPG
     
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  7. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Do you want all black and yellow units, or just the ones with stripes?

    Basically, any freight unit delivered before 1965 was painted in a black and yellow scheme ( this includes the first GP35s and U25Bs). The F units had Calgary bands, everything else had stripes.

    Paul
     
  8. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Paul, I guess I need both. We want decals manufactured with anything Frisco owned in black and yellow.

    Joe
     
  9. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Is R+3W+Y the correct color code to order for the decals? If so I will call Hubert in the morning to let him know and discuss any more details.

    Joe
     
  10. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Joe, I think Tom's pictures bear it out; the R+2W+Y is too bright.
     
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  11. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Microscale already has decals for the F units though.

    And the other question, which phase of the striping?

    Paul
     
  12. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm ever so thankful that I was able to get some Atlas GP7s with the factory black and yellow paint schemes. I think decaling all those stripes would be way above my pay grade. Master Modeler stuff...

    Tom G.
     
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  13. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Paul,
    Please tell me about the different phases of striping. I didn't know that there was more than one. Is it just on one type of locomotive or on several?

    Joe
     
  14. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Wow... not on my monitor. The darkest to lightest go from left to right on my monitor, and the R+2 is notably brighter than the R+3.

    I do hope we can avoid the "Lemon" yellow of the old/defunct Oddballs yellow. If the end result from Mask Decals is printed using the same color that Mask Decals used for their #87-0323 KCT diesel set that I purchased for a "look see", it will be very close for the Frisco, too. Whatever the outcome, it will be a better set than what we have now, which is pretty much NOTHING.
     
  15. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    You need to look at more pictures.

    A good start is Mike Condren's Frisco Paint Shop articles:
    http://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Frisco_PaintShop.htm

    But even those are missing some of the simplified paint variations, especially on the switchers.

    The GP7s,just because of their number and length of time on the roster, went through the greatest number of variations.

    There are photos of U25Bs and GP35s with the road freight units on Condren's site above.

    Paul
     
  16. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Let me re-phrase my statement:

    The color needs to match the diagonals on Tom's decal job and that matches R+3W+Y, the color on the step face matches R+4W+Y. The R+2W+Y on Joe's post is too orange.
     
  17. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    I took these outside hoping for a better color, looks the same to me. I think Yellow is like Red in that so many can see it so different. Look at pages 30/GP7, 62/GP35, in Greg Stout's book. There are many other great images in his book these were just the ones that stuck out at me. Then look at pg72/GP7 in Sommers, Marre's and you can see the type yellows that I see as rich, bold, in other words not lemon yellows.
    Again this is just my opinion, but the Barricade/diagonal strips are like Andre says too lemon yellow, the yellow on the step faces (horizontal block decals) is the yellow I want. You can also see lemony yellow in either of these books as well, even both on the same loco. Yellow doesn't age well either.
    I remember on another list the arguments gotten into concerning the color aspen leaf gold LOL. So it all in the eye of the beholder maybe. With respect to my esteemed colleagues, I am gonna stick to my theory that the 2W will be more close to correct when applied over black. Gonna also agree that any yellow is better then no yellow :)

    shot in daylight, dont think they are much different than the one in an earlier post.
    DSCN1651.JPG DSCN1656.JPG

    I added this last image to show you what I refer to as the color changes that take place when laying Yellows over black.
    In this image you can clearly see 2 different colors of yellow with the lemony one applied first then the patch that is rich and a deeper color, that has not had the solvaset applied, so it is not adhered to the shell, all from the same decal sheet.
    DSCN1660.JPG
     
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  18. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    What is frustrating is I have a patch of yellow paint that I peeled off of a black & yellow GP7 back in the early/mid 1970's so I could match it (then). I'm sure I still have it, but I'm a'feared it is up in the attic somewhere within one of the many apple boxes that have Athearn/MDC boxes therein containing various modeling tidbits from the decades. In other words: No way to readily access it or even find it. Then there's my scanner issue: It signed off and that's that. No scanning on this machine. Crap.
     
  19. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Looking at Greg Stout's book Frisco in col Vol II on page 94 we can see the lettering on the long hood of a GP35, As I thought above, "Fire Extinguisher Inside" and another couple lettered doors, that I can see, can almost make them out.
    Would suggest someone with his contact info, ask Greg Stout if he could clarify what the lettering says.
     
  20. rayw

    rayw Member

    Been away from the computer for a while and this thread really came alive during that time.

    For what it’s worth I agree with Tom that the 2W looks like a good match. The 3W looks like the yellow in the old Oddballs set which I’ve always thought was to lemony. The 2W looks more like the yellow in the Microscale F unit set which I have always liked. I’m afraid the yellow is as bad as Mandarin Orange. It faded quickly and no two units ever looked the same. Hopefully we can all come to an agreement. I agree that something is better than nothing.

    I have a paint diagram for the black and yellow GP35s. It shows "ENGINE WATER FILL" in 1" yellow letters. It doesn't show the "FIRE EXTINGUISHER INSIDE" but we know it was there from photos. A friend has artwork he did for a custom run of GP7 decals a few years ago. I can pass both along when needed.

    I assume we’re still just working on the switcher decals right now?

    Ray
     

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