Crawford and Cherokee Layout Update

Discussion in 'Divisions' started by rjthomas909, Jul 21, 2013.

  1. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Beautiful scenery and right of way. Throw some weathering washes all over those old structures and they’ll look like contest winners from decent viewing distances.
  2. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Thanks Guys,

    Jim, I think you are right about scratch building. It is difficult to find small-town single story stores and such in kit form. I am looking back through the Zalma historical archives for ideas. I am near the end of basic scenery and wiring. I need to start a few structures of better quality and that are right for the times.

    -Bob T.
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  3. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    You got this. Easily within your skill level.
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  4. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Ready to be home for a long Labor Day weekend and some progress on the Crawford and Cherokee. Been decaling, building, and weathering up cars. Here is a string of Accurail hoppers that are a pretty nice model when you need a good number of a certain type.

    (Sorry for the pin in the background. Picture taken using a couple of modules as a diorama).

    Take care all,

    -Bob T.
  5. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Very nice looking train. That would look super realistic in black and white.
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  6. patrick flory

    patrick flory Member

    Do what inept modelers like me do. Stick a clump of lichen over pins like that when taking pictures. :ROFLMAO:
  7. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Photo of 0-6-0 3808, a Proto Heritage Series Model.

    Working on improving depth of focus with a new camera we bought a couple of weeks ago. While a bit over-exposed, I am liking the results so far.

    Photo taken on the South Cherokee section of the Crawford and Cherokee.

    Tips and comments welcomed.

    -Bob T.
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
  8. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Merry Christmas Eve All,

    Been spending some time with AnyRail while working up the Parsons Sub plan (see other thread this week). I decided to update the plan for the Crawford and Cherokee to reflect some changes. The Lightning Creek Mine section was a remnant from the original Crawford and Cherokee (v1). It was the only part that I had salvaged. It had also been used as part of the "Weir-Pittsburg Coal Field" switching layout, which had a small double track section with a cross-over representing a small town and interchange. It was built without a 1-inch foam top, and was very flat compared to the other sections.

    Well, that mine section did not fit quite right in the garage space that I have. In particular, when I wanted to set up the Cherokee yard with the mine section as a switching layout on one side of the garage, it would hit the door unless turned at a strange angle. There is also a small concrete ramp in my garage at the location of the mine in its original, full-layout configuration. In short, it was driving me crazy and was simply a forced-fit.

    I attended the South Texas Model Railroad Social in San Antonio on the 14th and offered up the switching layout above to anyone that might like to have it. A young man and his father came and picked it up Saturday, and I am starting the construction of the new modules/sections. The new version will look something like:

    It will fit much better. I will also create a small cantilevered fiddle track to permit switching the Cherokee yard a bit more comfortably. I will also remove the "abandoned spur" track from the South Cherokee section (which is also an attempt to make things fit that just did not work out).

    Comments are welcomed. Will post progress on these sections as they materialize.

    Merry Christmas All,

    -Bob T.
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2019
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  9. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    OK, this one had been driving me crazy. I was sure that I had seen a map of Cherokee KS that showed the location of the engine house and turntable. I was looking for the reference for a photo that Andre asked me about, and found a map from 1906 in a plat book of Crawford County.


    While it does not have some of the industry spurs that appear in the Sanborn maps, you can clearly see the location of the turntable and 4-stall engine house.


    If you are a SE Kansas Frisco fan (ahem.... @Iantha_Branch) , you might enjoy this and the plat book from neighboring Bourbon and Cherokee Counties found at:

    Bourbon County Atlas, c.1920 -- Includes Fort Scott, KS
    (Kansas Historical Society)

    Crawford County Plat Book, c.1906 -- Includes Pittsburg, KS
    (Kansas Historical Society)

    Cherokee County Plat Book, c.1902 -- Includes Columbus and Weir, KS
    (Kansas Historical Society)

    Take Care All,

    -Bob T.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2020
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  10. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Great find Bob. I had no idea that Cherokee had a turn table and round house. I wonder why a location like Cherokee had a 4 stall round house when it didn't really have a need for one, when a place like Pittsburg really needed one and only had a 2 stall engine house. Any thoughts on that?
    Today, the area is completely grown up in brush, but in 1958, the foot print is still visible, see below.

    Attached Files:

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  11. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    I don't have a good answer for that one. I probably need to review the dates for the build-out of the region. Could be to service the collection of coal from the nearby mines and get cars in place for the yard and interchange. It could also be that the roundhouse pre-dated the line into Pittsburg, as the Afton Sub was part of the Border Tier Road to Oklahoma.

    Nice one on the aerial photo, Ethan. I thought you might enjoy the link to the Crawford County plat book. It includes Acadia and some of the areas you mentioned.

    Take Care,

    -Bob T.
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