Columbus, Kansas

Discussion in 'Afton Subdivision' started by bob_wintle, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. bob_wintle

    bob_wintle Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Columbus Kansas

    Ethan:
    I never heard of the one in Ohio. I forgot about the one that was listed on the Plaque that is shown earlier in this post. According to the Plaque the one in Germany was destroyed in the war and the One in Pennsylvania was removed and the one in Columbus is the only one that remains. I took pictures of the one in Columbus as well as the Plaque but had forgotten. That is what happens when one gets older.
    Bob
     
  2. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

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    When I visited Carona this summer someone told me about it and there was only 3 in the world. HE didn't say anything about the one in Germany being destroyed or the one in Pennsylvania. So I guess there are only 2 examples left.
     
  3. bob_wintle

    bob_wintle Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Columbus Kansas

    No the only one that remains or that is left is the one in Columbus, the rest are gone. Scroll up and look at the Photograph earlier in this thread to read about it.
    Bob
     
  4. Iantha_Branch

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  5. bob_wintle

    bob_wintle Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Columbus Kansas

    Now that is cool. It appears to be two double track mains crossing each other. I am not sure what the correct terminology would be for it. I wonder if it would be a double double crossing. Pretty cool though.
    Bob
     
  6. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

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  7. bob_wintle

    bob_wintle Member Frisco.org Supporter

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    WOW! Did you build it? That is a work of art. Why is it no longer in service? I would have loved to worked that one. Too Cool!
    Bob
     
  8. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

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    Holy Cow!!! That is a piece of art!!!! How would they build the frogs over the points?
     
  9. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

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    Not In my wildest dreams could I have built that (wish,wish). That is just one part of the CNJ Terminal shown in the link provided. The "terminal" is a work of art and complexity. You can spend a couple hours just looking and reading about the construction.

    In my younger, more patient, steady hands, and better eyesight days - I built quite a bit of hand laid track and switches for my own layout, an HO club, and an O club. Probably one of the things that helped cause burnout. Had a Kayde Spiker that I just sold last year (figured I would not be using it anymore ... nuther mistake).
     
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  10. john

    john FRISCO.org Supporter

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    I guess I just don't get it. I can see why something like the three way crossing would be neat to model, but in the "real" world why, except cases of EXTREME space limitations, would you create that kind of complexity when you could simply locate one of the tracks "offset" a few feet as was done in Fort Smith with the SF junction? (I assume this is was more the "norm".)

    great photo on Mike's website at:

    http://condrenrails.com/FSVB/Junctions/SF-Jct.htm
     

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  11. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Columbus Kansas

    The real pros can step in if my assessment is wrong, but by combining all three at one point, there is only one interlocking control needed for any of the three railroads. If the crossings are offset so only any two railroads cross at one point, then each railroad would have to worry about two interlocking control points just "feet" apart.
     
  12. mvtelegrapher

    mvtelegrapher Member

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    Bob King, a friend of mine, has done some research on the three way diamond at Columbus and has looked at some of the Frisco drawings that Watco has of Columbus and the conclusion Bob has come too from reading through newspaper accounts is that the Katy originally platted a right-of-way through Columbus around four blocks west of the triple diamond and this would have required two different crossings of the Frisco lines in town. The Frisco did not want two crossings and since their lines were already built they told the Katy where they would allow a crossing of the Frisco and that the Katy would have to pay for the construction and the maintenance of it. The Frisco was hoping that since this was going to be and expensive piece of trackwork the Katy would not want to build it and and would give up their extension to Joplin. It didn't work and the Katy went ahead and built the three way crossing and extended their line to Joplin.

    John Chambers
     
  13. FRISCO4503

    FRISCO4503 FRISCO4503 Frisco.org Supporter

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    Hello everyone! I just wanted everyone to know, I have got the bug again thanks to this thread and I am going to attempt building the triple diamond in Columbus! After I am done and it passes all the inspections necessary to make it to where it is good to run trains on (this is my first attempt at something like this) I am going to start redesigning my track plan to make a place to put it and run trains over it!

    Bob and Ian! As far as the location in Ohio, This is listed as a double diamond. I used to work for CSX on the Baltimore Service Lane as it was called. I still have alot of my old time tables. I asked my old boss Ed Cindric what this was called and he looked it up in the time table and figured I would let you all know! It is a neat location on the CSX, but from what Ed told me, it is also a dangerous location. Any little thing goes wrong, maintenance wise or anything and it is all the ingredience needed for disaster.
     
  14. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

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    More questions about the interesting junction at Coumbus. This is the 1905 map previously posted and I was wondering where the RR station(s) was/were located? And which segment of land around the junction was the tower located in? Down in the middle of the map on one side of the tracks there is lettering: "StL & SF RR" and "M-K & T RR depo" on the other side. Not clear to me if it was a joint station or not??

    Thanks, Tom
     

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  15. Friscotony

    Friscotony Member

    I photgraphed the Columbus depot in 1978 and as I recall, it was located near the diamond and not in closer to your map location. However, it may not have been the original depot as the floor plan I have for that one was build in 1888. It also shows a seperate baggage and a seperate express building and the one I photographed does not have those elements.
     
  16. mark

    mark Member

    Tom,

    It does not appear that there was ever a joint agency depot at Columbus.

    The plans earlier in this post indicate a Frisco depot dating from at least 1888 and freight house from 1872. The passenger depot appears to have always been near the diamond crossing. Sanborn maps of the city show the freight house at 411 East Maple Street.

    The current Frisco depot is located in the southwest quadrant of the diamond crossing, north of East Oak Street. This is within the boundary of the southwest interchange or connecting track and between the Afton and Carthage Subdivisions mains. This location seems logical to service both Frisco lines at the crossing.

    The Sanborn maps for Columbus indicate the Missouri, Kansas and Texas (MKT) depot was located on the east side of their Joplin Branch. Their depot address was 433 East Maple Street. This places the Katy depot 4 blocks south and east across both line's tracks of the Frisco's depot.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  17. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks.

    Tom
     
  18. 1143

    1143 Member

    I think that the passenger depot was south of maple street where the caboose and three way crossing is on display.
     
  19. mark

    mark Member

    David,

    Sanborn maps place both the Frisco freight house and the Katy depot north of East Maple Street and south of East Walnut Street.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
  20. 1143

    1143 Member

    I went to the Cherokee County Historical Society and did some research on the Frisco depot at Columbus. I could not find the exact date that it was built but found an article that said it would be built at a location south of Maple street and west of the tracks. The freight house would be built north of Maple. I could not find out where it was located before. The article was dated July 13, 1905.
    The next information was dated Oct.17, 1958 and stated that in order to consolidate their services the Columbus Frisco passenger station was moved to a sight four blocks north and would be placed in the southwest corner of the interlocker. The freight depot would be consolidated into the passenger depot eventually. The signal tower would also be abandoned and the equipment be placed in the depot so that fewer employees would be needed. The depot was moved by a house mover. In April of 1982 the depot was once again loaded on a truck and moved seven miles south of Columbus and is now a residence. The MKT had their own depot
     

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