Clinton Subdivision Stations and Mile Posts

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  1. mike

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    Clinton Sub - Eastern Division Stations and Mile Posts

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  2. The Frisco "High Line"

    Rails to Trail project in Springfield Mo

    I am posting several photos of the trail head and map. Hopefully, others will ride the line and post other photos from along the way.

    Here is the website

    http://www.friscohighlinetrail.org/index.html

    Here is some info on the trail

    This 36+ mile Rail-to-Trail project now connects Springfield to Bolivar! The surface is a compacted crushed-gravel surface, similar to the Katy Trail. Trailhead parking lots are located in Springfield, Willard, Walnut Grove, Wishart and Bolivar (see directions below and/or map). Over a mile of the trail is paved in Bolivar and soon a 2-3 mile section will be paved through Willard as well.

    Only one section allows horseback riding ---
    The 10-mile section from Willard to Walnut Grove (natural surface path).

    The first campground and bed & breakfast has just opened along the FHT! Located near mile marker 20, at historic Graydon Springs, the "Ridgerunners Rest Stop" includes a bunk house and a camping area. Lodging services include a continental breakfast, full bathroom and shower facilities, friendly service and information about local attractions and activities. Feel free to give them a call to inquire or make reservations at (417)694-2464.


    FM
     
  3. treefrog

    treefrog Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I need some help. There is to me a lot of confusion between the Leaky Roof and High Line. I grew up riding back and forth to Clinton in 1950s thru end of Frisco as a passenger in back of family car. I read the main Frisco Short Line was north of Hwy 7. Left Harrisonville to Blairstown. But driving to and from Clinton on the then single lane Mo Hwy7, I was exposed to watching the Frisco, complete with baby chick baggage cars on south side of Mo Hwy 7 on what is described to me now as the Leaky Roof and long gone since 1930s? Granted was pre-teen most of these trips but you had always had the chance of seeing a single I guess GP7 and train making stops where necessary, perhaps at every depot along route, and the ever so short freight train with bagage car and caboose. Did not see it whole distance to Clinton but where did I see wrong? I missed out on street drugs in the 1970s and wasn't drinking till then, then off to military so can't blame it on medication or hooch. Came back from service had different interests but a lot of that track bed is covered by second lane of Mo Hwy7 now. So can some kind person tell me if I was seeing what reported or was I a disturbed child who's Dad used to race the black and yellow striped train engines (that weren't there) with our '57 Studabaker. Break it to me gently if can?

    Ricky|-|
     
  4. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I also have trouble getting the "Leaky Roof" and the "Blair Line" separated in my mind, but basically they were two different railroads weaving in and out of the same general route. Eventually the Frisco took parts of each and the earlier "High Line" name became attached to it. You did see mini-passenger trains with a geep and two passenger cars. I'll post a picture soon as I locate it. Meantime, this should help:
    http://www.beltonrailroad.org/museum/trackhx.html

    Tom
     
  5. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Ricky--I couldn't locate the picture directly, but go to the search button and type: "clinton sub passenger trains" there's a large thread about the "Highline, Leaky Roof," et al and a picture of the little passeger train with two cars and a GP-7. Also pictures of the prototype train and HO models with the train pulled by an E-8 "racehorse" diesel.

    Tom
     
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  6. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    It took awhile to find it, but here is the Frisco Historical Development Map. It clearly shows both the high line and the leaky roof. In 1930 the ICC ruled a Railroad could not own two lines that parralleld each other, so the Frisco had to abondond one of the lines. The Firsco took pieces of both to make the new Highline.
    Richard
     

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  7. treefrog

    treefrog Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Well was too young to recall any passenger trains and know used to be a marsh area beside MoHwy 7 on south side with cranes. This was back when Clinton still had the Power House Smokestack. I've been checking satellite maps to find stuff here in Harrisonville that I can't see from ground and have track bed both due east of town towards the several towns between here and Clinton and here and there trackbed remains between here and Clinton south of MoHwy 7.

    Just checking to make sure of my youth and making sure folks didn't have me on paraghoric or something fellows. I did see baby chick feathers flying ou of the open baggage car doors then.

    In my teens before graduation worked at old Jones Lumber Yard in Grandview, helped unload several Frisco boxcars of lumber the hard way, from the inside top to floor, and swore I'd never work for a living then and there! Thus after coming back from service got a Federal Civil Service job. Now retired I owe any taxpayer's dollar I get in retirement or disability to the Frisco Railroad and those hot metal rust brown boxcars in the hot Augusts of my misguided youth. Had to unload fast or Boss had to pay a "de-marriage (sic)" to the SL&SF.

    Thanks Guys!

    Ricky|-|
     
  8. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter


    Richard, do you have the docket number for this ruling?

    Actually the Frisco had three "parallel" routes between KC and Springfield. The Frisco managed to avoid the appearance of this "monopoly" by maintaining the KCCS as a separate road, and by certain operating practices. At the time of its complete abandonment, the KCCS was in poor physical condition, served several communities, which were also served by the Highline, and lacked the on-line business which would justify its rehabilition. I am skeptical that the impetus for abandonment came from the ICC. Perhaps Brad, Roger, etal can supply the answer.

    I am still making my way to Houston, and I am away from my references.
     
  9. treefrog

    treefrog Member Frisco.org Supporter

    "The portion of the old Blair Line from the start of the new connecting line to Lowry City Junction was also retained, because the Tebo Coal Company was stripping coal near the county line and sending out on this line. The Tebo mine closed in April of 1931, leaving the segment with no traffic. In August of 1934 the Frisco applied to the Interstate Commerce Commission for authority to abandon this segment of the line. The petition was immediately approved, and the track soon taken out.
    In November of 1934 the Frisco applied for permission abandon most of the remaining portions of the former Leaky Roof railroad, namely the northern section from Belton to Clinton and the southern portion from Tracy Junction to Phenix, a few miles north of Ash Grove. The Interstate Commerce Commission approved the petition, not without some controversy, and in May of 1935 the Leaky Roof was abandoned, and the track pulled up."

    Saw no court case such as SL&SF VS ICC. Everything have read boils down to was simply the Great Depression period, as opposed to too much railroad on too little track with even less real business? Might have looked like a monopoly, smelled like one, felt like one, but didn't see ICC describe it as a true one.

    Rick|-|
     
  10. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    I heard about the ICC ruling many years ago, and I do not know if it is ture or not. Probably not.
    Richard
     
  11. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    No, there was no ICC ruling or else there would be no BN or PC. The MO. Public Service did throw a fit but did not have the authority to prevent it.

    Roger

     
  12. trainsignguy

    trainsignguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Ricky is it possible your memories are of the Frisco along US 71 between Harrisonville and KC instead of along 7 highway? The High Line paralleled US 71 a good deal of the way from Harrisonville to Dodson (South KC) and was around in the time frame you questioned.

    Richard - thanks for posting the Frisco development map. Very interesting.

    Dale Rush
    Carthage, MO
     
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  13. treefrog

    treefrog Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I can agree with anything as have watched at the VA how war stories change when old men told them over and over and tale get embelished with age. Am kicking at 60s doorstep and would be a fool to argue with anyone over something that happened so long ago and is smiply not that important. You may very well be right and thank you and others all for time and patience.

    Ricky|-|
     
  14. Well, I'm late to this party -- must have missed seeing it the first time 'round.

    As I understand it, there were indications that the Frisco wanted to get rid of the KCC&S almost from the time it took over the KCFS&M in 1901. The abandonment hearing records (findable on Mike Good's Railroads of Henry County webpage) allude to the argument that two separate lines that served the same territory simply split the available traffic while costing twice as much to maintain and operate.
     

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