Athearn Genesis GP40-2 in Frisco o/w

Discussion in 'Electo-Motive Division (EMD)' started by meteor910, Jul 29, 2014.

  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Did I see Athearn just announce a return of the Frisco GP40-2 in o/w colors, but this time as a Genesis model? They say March availability.

    I guess we bought enough GP38-2's to keep their interest!

  2. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    If someone has a little time, I know the SD is Special Duty and the GP is General Purpose, but don't know the difference in the looks. Also difference in the 38 and the 40 besides horsepower.
  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Sure. Very simply, you are correct; GP = General Purpose, SD = Special Duty. But, that doesn't really describe their function. The GP series uses a "B-B" truck arrangement, i.e., the two axle Blomberg truck, four driven wheels per truck. they are generally better for higher speed use, but that is not a limit - GP's are seen everywhere, in all sorts of uses. The SD is a bigger, longer locomotive, and rides on "C-C" truck arrangement, i.e, a three axle truck, with six driven wheels per truck. Given they have more driven wheels, they are better for heavy duty use, like coal, grain and chemical unit trains, and are better on light rail, as their weight is spread out over more wheels. (FYI - Our favorite passenger unit, the E7/E8's rode on "A-1-A" trucks, which were three axles each, but only the first and third were powered. The middle axle was an idler.)

    Regarding the engines, the GP40-2 and GP38-2 both use the EMD 645 engine (645 cu inches per cylinder), both are a V-16, both two-cycle. But, the GP40-2 is turbocharged, and delivers 3000HP, while the GP38-2 is "normally aspirated" (no turbo or supercharger), and is fed its combustion air via a Roots blower, and delivers only 2000HP out of the same V-16. But, the 38's are much more economical and less maintenance prone (turbos are a PIA unless you need the power), and more versatile.

    That's pretty general, but that sums it up.

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  4. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Ken, always glad to see your posts. Very valued for those of us with less than a eye for detail. I was a supervisor "Atari" engineer who went through the engineer program for strike duty. About 83 or so, it was a big deal with BN to be prepared for the possibility of a strike. I worked the strikes in 80 and 89 or close to those years, don't recall exact dates
    Nice for your input on the cabooses also. Unfortunately, at the time, it was work to me, although I was a fan also, so that makes it nice working, I liked the job, that is at times and have had several layouts, when i was in one place long enough.
    I know Jerome might remind me how much I disliked Gillette, WY.
  5. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Supporter

    Four numbers, no less. This is very good news for me. I like to see the Frisco represented in new product announcements. I know we can't expect the Frisco to be included in every new announcement, but I find myself thinking "why isn't the Frisco represented?" when they aren't. The only question I have now is, what will I do with my two rtr GP40s?

  6. gstout

    gstout Member Supporter

    An SD40 rides on a longer frame but has a GP40 carbody, so the visual effect is that an SD40 (or SD40-2) appears to have long "porches" at either end. Also the 40-series locomotives have three cooling fans at the end of the long hood, whereas the GP 38 (and the SD38, although they are rare) has only two.

  7. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Supporter

    To All:

    Thanks to Ken for spotting that as I sure missed it. Below is the link to the PDF listing all of the details which there are many. Note that they specify that 2 road numbers will have a silver headlight and 2 will have an orange one. Is this referring to the color of the casting above the cab?

    Also of interest is that this flyer alone has 3 new Frisco announcements, the GP40-2, the Bi-Level Autorack, and the wooden Roundhouse caboose. That means that they are indeed selling Frisco items!
  8. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Re the new Athearn Frisco GP40-2's and their headlights, I don't know why there was a difference, but yes it does refer to the color of the dual headlight mounted above the cab between the road number boards. See the EMD pic of SLSF 750 (silver) and the pic on relatively new-looking SLSF 751 at Lindenwood (red/orange).


    Attached Files:

  9. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Greg, thanks for your post, seems i remember the longer decks on some units. Jordan Ditcher was a good machine for the six axle units. They was hard to get though, i ran it over lots of trackage.
  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    I was just looking at the GP40-2 pics of SLSF 750 and SLSF 751 I posted this morning to show the silver and red/orange headlight housings used on these new Frisco GP40-2 units. I noticed for the first time, that, on the pic of 751, the unit coupled behind it, SLSF 752, has a silver headlight housing.

    What gives on this? SLSF 750 is silver, 751 is red/orange, and 752 is back to silver.

    Yes, I checked - SLSF 753 is silver. Beats me as to what the logic was!

  11. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Member Staff Member Supporter

    Don't feel too bad- I have two blue-box GP40-2s in Frisco colors, and the correct nose length (cut off the nose & cab, add one on from a GP50 shell) plus enough of the Frisco-specific details. I'm holding on to these two, plus my rtr GP40-2.
  12. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Supporter

    Bob, I don't blame you. When we make any model more accurate for the Frisco there is a sentimental value attached to that model that wasn't there before. I must say that I am impressed that Athearn picked up on the silver or red head light housings and decided to model both examples.
  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    I remember back in the "old days" when there was virtually no Frisco diesel power offered in RTR models. We had to start with an undec to model anything. Now, I think, every major Frisco diesel unit has been modeled, in HO at least, with at least one or more pretty well done examples. The two "A's", Athearn and Atlas, have been particularly good to us, as has Proto 2000 with the E's, Walthers, and Bowser/Stewart.

    I'd still like to see additional Frisco units from Atlas (S-2 and the NEO S-2/S-4), a Genesis F7A, F7B, F9A and F9B, and, the early E7's. Anything else? I'm not talking about high cost brass, but affordable plastic models.

  14. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    I'm thrilled that Athearn is putting out more Frisco stuff, but my wallet and my fiance? Not so much.
    Just for extra historical fact, the Frisco like to lash these up into sets of 4 and run hot shot trains with them (this is perfect for that). So its a good thing Athearn is making four numbers for those of you that are wanting to attempt this.
    Here's a picture:
    760 has an orange headlight bracket and 750 still has silver. The second unit looks like it has orange
    Another example:
    759 has silver, but the rest have orange.
    My conclusion is that a majority of the GP40-2s had orange headlight brackets, but a few still had silver up to the merger. Personally, I like the silver.

  15. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Ethan -
    I really like the shot of the four GP40-2's pulling into Lindenwood Yard. Those hot-shot GP40-2 trains were really something - they could really hammer along with their 12,000 HP.

    A good collection of cars in the yard that day as well.

    All of us in StL miss seeing the "monuments" (Laclede Gas tanks) in the background. They are all gone, as is much of the neat stuff at Lindenwood.

  16. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Supporter

    Ken and All:

    I feel comfortable that with the apparent success sales wise of recent offerings. I feel confident that we will get the Genesis F7's when the correct body type is produced. For those of you that may not be aware the Genesis series locomotives are modular so road specific characteristics so as cab types, nose lengths, etc. can be accurately replicated.

    Having said that, Athearn has also retooled their RTR line adding features such as see-thru grilles and fans, nose gyra-lights, and roof beacons. Also they have a new drive train and NMRA DCC plug. The SD45, SD40-2, and SW1500 are examples so far offered for the Frisco. There is still one more model in this category and it is the GP35. I don't know if they would go as far as modeling the roof air tanks but they might. In comparison, if this was a Genesis model they probably would for sure.

    Is there any interest out there in a new GP35? Black & Yellow of Orange & White? Please respond.
  17. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    GP35s in B&Y and O&W with torpedo tubes, appropriate airlines, and Roof Beacons would be great. O&W with Roof Beacons and Gyralights would be good as well. In my mind it would be really cool to be able to get a specific number GP35 in B&Y with torpedo tubes, and the same number in the O&W repaint scheme. I would be on board for all three variations.
  18. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Bob -

    Agree with Keith, a new, upgraded Athearn GP35 would be very welcome. Keep in mind, though, that Athearn has done the GP35 twice before now, so they may be concerned the Frisco market is already partially satisfied with SLSF GP35's.

    I'd vote for b/y on the torpedo boats, also o/w for all of them, including a version on AAR-B trucks, of course. Several years back, I ponied up the $$$ for one of the Overland Frisco torpedo boat GP35's (b/y) and, just like the real thing, it is a bad looking dude! A true "Vader". It also runs smooth as silk.

    Bob - What special phase do we need for a Genesis Frisco F7? I know we are out of luck on the Genesis GP7's phase-wise, but I would think the modular construction of the Genesis F-unit shell (Highliners) should allow any specific F7 to be reproduced within reason. Plus, they have demonstrated their skills painting and lettering F-units in b/y with their excellent Genesis SLSF F3.

  19. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    One question regarding the Genesis GP40-2s; will the sound units have a functioning Pyle Gryralight like the GP15-1s had? The lack of functioning Gyralights on the GP38-2s was a disappointment but relatively easy to overcome.
  20. mark

    mark Member

    From my post on the Athearn Genesis GP38-2 thread.

    "Note to group self - If Athearn ever announces another Frisco unit to be equiped with a gyralite, immediately send note to them to make sure a working gyralite is in the production specifications!"

    Hopefully, Bob will be kind enough to remind the folks at Athearn that if they are going to the trouble of adding the correct light fixtures, then they should also work.

    Hope this helps.



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