Along the Rolla-Lebanon Subdivision Today

Discussion in 'Rolla-Lebanon Subdivision' started by WindsorSpring, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Charlie -
    No, that is the MoPac depot in Kirkwood, also on Kirkwood Road, north side of the tracks, north of the Frisco by about a mile. In addition to the UP coming through, Amtrak has stopped there for years.

    The old Kirkwood Frisco depot I was asking about was also on Kirkwood Road, west side, north of the tracks. It was torn down long ago, and a small depot from down the line was relocated at the same point, but on the south side of the tracks. It also was removed some time ago. A Hill Behan lumber store was built on the old site, north of the tracks, and existed until a few years back. I had a diagram of the old Frisco Kirkwood depot somewhere, but have never seen a pic of it. WindsorSpring and I were working with the Kirkwood Historical Society a few years ago to seek a photo, but no luck so far.


    ps - In his wonderful book Frisco Power, Joe Collias included a pic of the small depot relocated to the south side of the tracks at Kirkwood Road, on page 281. Per Joe's caption, it served mainly as a commuter stop back in the days when the Frisco ran morning and evening commuter trains from downtown StL out to Pacific.
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  2. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Cottonseed trains pass by with westbound loads and eastbound empties. The cars are box-shaped, open-top cars that appear to have an end that swings open for emptying on an incline or car lift. I have wanted to get a photo to share for awhile and the opportunity came today during breakfast. The first shot shows one of the red cars with MWCX marks following one of the gray ones with HKRX markings. Loaded trains typically have two locomotives on the point and two pushing. Today's helper set included a treat: ex-ATSF warbonnet 646! Warbonnets have become rare these days so even seeing a faded one is welcome. Finally, the going-away shot shows BNSF 7567 basking in the kind of light I wish I had for the other shots. (I see the camera is still on daylight time.)
    1117 0753 wb Cottonseed Train (3) s.JPG 1117 0753 wb Cottonseed Train 7567 and ATSF 646 (6) s.JPG 1117 0753 wb Cottonseed Train 7567 and ATSF 646 (7) cs.JPG
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  3. tferk

    tferk Member Supporter

    These should be the trains loaded in Hayti, MO. I had no idea they ran via the Cuba Sub, I assumed they ran south and came up the Thayer Sub. I see these trains here in Flagstaff. Destined to Modesto and Fresno, CA
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  4. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    It is an interesting move when it goes through Lindenwood. The train runs into Lindenwood and then the crew (or another crew) gets on what had been the pushers making these the lead locomotives. In this case 7567 assisted by 646 pulled the train from Hayti but became helpers heading west.
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  5. tferk

    tferk Member Supporter

    Thought I would share photos of the same train (posted above by Windsor Spring) as it passed westbound through Flagstaff, Arizona, last Friday 11/20/2020 at 12:29pm Mountain Standard Time. The train is on BNSF's Seligman Subdivision, a portion of the Southern Transcon. Heavy unit trains that will be going north out of Barstow, CA, over Tehachapi get mid-train DPUs added at Gallup, NM. The configuration through Flagstaff was: 4677-969-7257 / 8095-8194-8160 / 646 -7547. The closest mountain is a lava dome named Mount Elden. The collection of peaks in the left background are the San Francisco Peaks, tallest peak is 15,600 ft. The train had been climbing steadily since leaving the crew-change point of Winslow, AZ, and will crest the Arizona Divide (7355 ft elevation) in about 10 miles. The Arizona Divide is listed as the highest point on the "active" BNSF system (Raton Pass and Glorieta Pass in New Mexico are both higher.)

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  6. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Great pictures. It is nice to see 646 still pushing, but it is also interesting to see 969 with its "Great-Northern-like" "H1" paint scheme in the train. I wonder if 969 was the lead of 2 when the train went through Kirkwood. If so, I am sorry I missed it. It is sad to think a bowl of Cheerios held more of my interest than the approaching train.
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  7. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Interesting photo chronology and operational details that captured this old River Division enthusiast’s eye. Thanks very much, George and Ted.

    Cheerios are a tough act to top, George. I won’t judge.
  8. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    There are approximately 2172 Cheerios in a standard size box.
  9. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Caboose TEXX 100 of BNSF logistics was on the end of a west bound freight this morning at 07:15 through Kirkwood. A call from an on-line friend asked for a photo, so I stumbled through the house to get this one. It is interesting to share here, too. Does this one have a Frisco pedigree to put this post a little more on topic?

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  10. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    LOL! :LOL:

    Today's railroading would never be something I would ever have the urge to model. The visuals of the equipment is simply not compelling to me in any sense of the word.

    However, the visceral side of railroading can still be found in today's railroading for me. That is:

    * I still love the sound of a whistle (horn) off in the distance.

    * I still love the sound of locomotives working hard. (I love feeling the vibrations in my chest of the roaring engine as they claw past me.)

    * I still love the sounds of the wheels hammering a crossing diamond or a frog. (Sometimes you even get to hear the clickety-clack of a rail joint.)

    * Sill like the sound of a flat spot coming/going as the train passes by.

    * I still love seeing (and especially hearing) a train battling gravity. (Think: Grades.)

    * I do like the experience of standing along the right-of-way (legally off the right-of-way) and experiencing a train going by that's balling the jack.

    * Trains in mountains are a plus and add to my sensations.

    I didn't realize it when I was but a lad, but apparently it's always been the visceral side of railroading that I liked more than the technical side of it. That is, almost all of my memories of railroading do not involve specific engine-types or engine numbers, etc. Those details weren't as important to me then. For example, I cannot remember what type (or number) the high hood Rock Island GP was that I rode in back in about 1957 or 1958, but I certainly remember sounds and sensations, and yes, I do have distinct visuals memories... but no details of the engines I saw that day. Thus, I now understand that my memories all seem to be based on the elation I felt seeing and experiencing the railroading that caused the emotion. It wasn't until many years later that I came to have an inkling of what I was seeing as a lad "back then". (Model railroading began to teach me what I was seeing.)

    I've read that, typically, the model railroader will model what he was exposed to during their "wonder years" (puberty), or roughly the medium age of 15. My tastes seem to lend a bit of credence to that theory.

    So, I still find the visceral side (sensations and emotions) of trains in today's railroading. It's just that once the experience is over, I have zero urge to model what I just saw. Instead, I use the visceral experience to fuel my motivation to relive the best of the memories of my lad/youth/young man years out on my 1964 KC&G layout, and see the engines that I remember seeing as a youngster (Geeps n' F's!)... along with some I didn't know what I was seeing (Alco RS's and FA's/PA's and other oddities).

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  12. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    This caboose was on a regularly-running westbound train on Thursday, February 18 around 07:15. I am not aware of other mention of its movement or its purpose.
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  13. palallin

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  14. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Based on appearance, I would speculate it was not of Frisco origin, or it has been highly modified with a different cupola and re-built side walls.
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  16. mark

    mark Member

    The caboose is one of three owned by that company.

    The two extended vision cabooses are former Canadian National (CN) Railway cars. TEXX 100 is former CN 79864 and TEXX 101 former CN 79875. They were both constructed by their Pointe St. Charles Shops in Montreal, Canada. These units were built in 1977. They were from the 548 car series CN 79350-79897. The group were constructed in lots between 1970 and 1977.

    They are similar to 150 earlier cars built by Hawker-Siddeley in 1967. These cars were numbered CN 79200 – 79349. Both series of cars were built to replace earlier wood sided cars built during the 1940s and 1950s. The cars featured electrical systems that included lighting, hot plate for cooking, refrigerators, water coolers, end of car eve mounted marker lights and axle-driven electric generators.

    Additional features included cushion under frames, roller bearing equipped trucks, two modern oil stoves for heating and improved interior seating. As production continued, larger view size square windows replaced earlier smaller rectangular windows. TEXX 100 has a white copula roof, while TEXX 101 has all horizontal roof surfaces painted white. Current modifications include roof mounted air conditioning units.

    Canadian cabooses are often referred to as “vans”. To help distinguish their shop of origin, the later series were sometimes referred to as “Charlie vans”.

    Hope this helps.


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  17. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Canadian National, hmm, well, at least the roadbed used to be SL-SF. The cars sound like nicely-appointed cabooses (or vans) with all that equipment.
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  19. mark

    mark Member


    The roof's color has not been changed on TEXX 100.

    As originally indicated only the copula roof of caboose TEXX 100 is painted white. The balance of the horizontal roof surfaces are black.

    In the photograph you posted the snow on the roof is white, but not the balance of this car's roof color. This clearly shows on each end of the car where the snow and ice has melted.

    Hope this helps.


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