4500 series Drawings?

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  1. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Guys,

    Does anyone know where a set of drawings of the 4500 class locomotives may be obtained? I am speaking of the design/builder drawings or any drawings that would include specific measurements. I did not know if these would have burned in the Springfield, MO museum fire or perhaps be in a collection or museum somewhere else across the country. Any help or input would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Jared Childress
    Monett, MO
     
  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

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  3. Steamnut

    Steamnut cinder sniffer

    I'll assume that Jared is looking for bluprints or erection drawings as I have for a number of years now. The closest thing that I have seen is the "blueprint" of the 4500 that the marketing folks handed out that appears on ebay every so often.
    I'd love to have copies of the erection drawings for the 4500 and 1500 class, but have not found a source yet. They may not exist any longer. Didn't I hear a horror story years ago that the Frisco had a bonfire in a turntable pit years ago and burned most of the steam loco information, or was that just a rumor?

    Darren McNeely
     
  4. John Sanders

    John Sanders Member

  5. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Thank you John, I will attempt to get ahold of them soon to see if they have the drawings from the 4500 series locomotives.
     
  6. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Yes I looked at both of these threads, but like Darren said I am looking for more of the erection style drawings that would have more specific measurements and information available in regards to these engines.
     
  7. John Sanders

    John Sanders Member

    I helped sort linen tracings there several years ago and did see some of the 4500 to 4502 tracings. If I remember correctly they are 1 1/2" scale. Baldwin had a very odd classification system, but the drawings at the archives, I think, are filed in drawing number sequence which may have been the order they were drawn. I have several contact names that I will dig out tonight. The volunteer staff may be able to zero in on your drawings more quickly, but the full time staff is very helpful too.

    John Sanders
     
  8. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Ok, thank you John I will attempt to call them within the next few days. If you could send me those numbers or post them here it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the help!

    Jared Childress
     
  9. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Sorry for the multiple replies, but would these drawings be available for copying or are they strictly archived and for viewing only?


    Jared Childress
     
  10. John Sanders

    John Sanders Member

    Sharon Nelson was the curator/manager of the railroad portion of the archives. The main phone number, should get you in touch with her.

    The tracings were available to copy when I was there. If most of the drawings exist it could be a pretty large bill!

    Also the local history archive at MSU may have the specifications created by the Frisco (Mr. Ryan and Mr. Buffington) that were sent to Baldwin for quote. I saw them in the Frisco Museum collection years ago and hopefully they survive. One interesting item was a change to the tender and oil bunker (4500-4502). They were redesigned to be one fabrication to save about $1,500.00 in material, labor and Social Security taxes! I do not have a contact at the MSU Library.

    John Sanders
     
  11. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    If you can't find the official "erection" drawings, there was a nicely done HO scale drawing (Of a 4500 Meteor oil burner) published in Railroad Model Craftsman (??) years ago and it's been circulated all over. I think it's also in the old FMIG news letters archived on this chat board. I'll try to locate it. That 4500 Meteor drawing is archived in F.M.I.G. Newsletter #5, page 16. It's a scale drawing with several sections through the boiler and a side and both end views of the tender. I'm thinking a skilled modeler could build a 4500 from these plans. There's also a scale drawing of a 4200 2-8-2 in the same newsletter.

    Tom G.
     
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  12. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    I just received a copy of Reading Model Engineers sheet F-35 that is blue azo-print on a piece of 16" x 25" paper. It was drawn by Mr. Edward Wiswesser to 1/4" scale (1:48) and looks very much like the print from FMIG #5, though it differs a bit in arrangement and includes a few more details. A hand-written note on the FMIG drawing alludes to a Penn-Craft Book dated 1959. The date on the RME sheet F-35 is 8-84, so it could be an enlargement to 1:48 scale from the Penn-craft source.

    Reading Model Engineers also lists a 2-8-2 freight locomotive drawing for its sheet F-34, but it turned out to be a 4300-class 4-8-2 Mountain so it is a much better deal!

    George Nelson
     
  13. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Penn Craft and Railroad Model Craftsman used to be connected (Part of the same company or published by the same company etc??).

    Tom G.
     
  14. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    The Penn-craft/RMC connection for the RMC Steam Locomotive Plan Manual # 5 is spot on; there is one offered on E-bay right now.

    Steam-Locomotive-Plan-Manual-and-Album-1959-Railroad-Model-Craftsman-/251247210772?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3a7f803114

    George
     
  15. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Could any of you just send a a photo copy of the scale drawings? I would be willing to pay the shipping but am on a very limited college budget so am trying to find them as cheap as possible.
     
  16. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    You can copy it right off the archived newsletter. Just go to the NL #5 PDF and run it off.

    Tom G.
     
  17. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Can you send me the link to this? I could not find it anywhere on the blogs.
     
  18. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Jared, you would get there by clicking on Forum, FMIG & All Aboard newsletters, FMIG Newsletters, then go to the first page and find the post with newsletter #5. (NL 5.pdf).

    You could also use the search engine in the upper right corner of any page to get there. Search for FMIG Newsletters. The search engine will the bring up multiple threads as well as the sub-forum "FMIG & All Aboard newsletters". You would click on that link and then look through the pages for NL 5.pdf.

    Now that I have taught you how to fish, here's the fish: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?2117-FMIG-Newsletters&p=14317#post14317
     
  19. Frisco4501

    Frisco4501 Member

    Haha I did search it but for some reason could not find it. Thank for all the help, sorry for being a pain!
     

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