4-8-2 #4300's

Discussion in '4300 Class Mountains' started by art, Jul 7, 2001.

  1. art

    art Guest

    4-8-2 #4303

    All these photos are from the collection of Bud Laws and are used by permission. Also, most of these images have written details about the particular locomotive. I will place that information on here as well. Some of what is written I do not understand. Those will have a "?" at the end. You may email me for more details. I also have a few other shots, if I can get permission, I will post them here. Art


    SLSF 4303. Rebuilt from 2-10-2, Feb-1937(?), 73" Drivers, BP: 230 lbs, Springfield, MO. Sept 13, 1938. Photographer: E.G. Baker - Harrison, AR
     

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  2. qaprr

    qaprr Guest

    SLSF 4305 4-8-2 Postcard

    In 1936 eleven 4300 class mountain types were built in the
    Springfield Shops utilizing a portion of the boilers of existing idle 2-10-2s.
    A notable feature of these machines was the 70 inch Scullin Drivers,
    which was a new design at the time and later copied by other roads.
    A beautiful machine!
     

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  3. chris

    chris Guest

    SLSF 4305 4-8-2 -1942

    Rebuilt 4-8-2 #4305, SE Junction, headed toward Springfield, 1942. Photo by Wm. Barham from the Don Wirth collection (thanks for the positive ID, Don!)

    I purchased this frame photo when Lee Chronister's collection of Friscoana was auctioned over 2 days in April, 1996. He was a Frisco employee (I believe either Asst. Superintendent or Superintendent of the River Division) who, in retirement, acquired a collection of items that included a small, rebuilt frame depot (from where I'm not sure), and the neon Frisco sign that apparently stood outside of the Joplin Depot.
     

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  4. don

    don Guest

    SLSF 4304 WB Osage Hill
    about 1938 or 1939
    Photographer Ivan Oaks

    SLSF 4309 EB Osage Hill
    about 1938 or 1939
    Photographer Ivan Oaks
     

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  5. don

    don Guest

    SLSF 4310 4-8-2 -1948

    SLSF 4310. Here's a shot of the 4310 as an oil burner half in and half out
    of the passenger livery. I don't know who photographer is, but date on neg is
    7-10-48, so she didn't have too long to go. The second engine is a low
    numbered 1000, probably the 1007 since she was around KC for a long time.
    Could be the 1014 also. SLSF 4310 was rebuilt from SLSF 44 at the Springfield
    Shops in 1937.
     

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  6. don

    don Guest

    SLSF 4300 4-8-2

    SLSF 4300 at Meramec Highlands. 4300 is coming up Valley
    Park Hill at Meramec Highlands
     

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  7. don

    don Guest

    SLSF 4304 4-8-2 -19?? in the pit

    The 4304 is seen nose-down in the Lindenwood turntable pit sometime presumably in the late '30s. Photographer unknown. 1506 is coupled to the derrick.
     

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  8. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Here's a couple more shots from the Barham negatives, both of the 4305 on different days and trains and both at SE Jct in 1942.
     

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  9. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Don or other steam folk:
    Note the second picture of 4305 with the MTYs headed back for the oil fields. Is the "dust" under the cab from heavy sanding for the grade out of Lindenwood, or is this from the Franklin trailing truck booster?

    Best Regards,
     
  10. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Looks like a couple of different things going on. No. 1, it looks like the rail washer is going. That washes the sand off the rails that the sanders are putting on. This reduces friction with the rest of the train.
    No. 2 could be the booster idling with the booster engine cylinder cocks exhuasting and No. 3 may be the automatic blowdown running. Sometimes if you have the water too high and start upgrade and working the engine hard, the foammeter will automatically kick on.
    Maybe all three.
     
  11. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Don, thanks for the information. Another device for me to investigate so that I can first figure out if it's visible when being modeled, and then how the whole shebang worked.

    The photo is great visual evidence of 4305 in action.

    Best Regards,
     
  12. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    The original photo here (posted years ago by "art" ??) is a piece of rail photographer's art if ther ever was one. Looks like she's just fueled up and ready to go for the first run after painting and shopping (Or maybe its rebuilding??).

    Tom
     
  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I always thought the 4300's were a bit more graceful looking than their sibling 4400's.

    Ken
     
  14. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I would concur, Ken. Based on the history outlined in Frisco Power, that would go along with each class' ancestry.

    The 4300s were practically new locomotives (being "recycled" in a technical sense only by reusing the old 2-10-2 steam dome with stamped boiler number). West Springfield produced some really beautiful machines.

    Alternatively, the 4400s reused the boiler, cab...nearly every possible reusable piece of the old 2-10-2s. I've always liked the 2-10-2s that the Frisco rostered, but they do look rather oafish.

    The photos in Frisco Power of the steel plate being drilled for rivet openings, and the work-in-progress in the old erecting hall are perhaps some of my favorite in the book.

    Best Regards,
     
  15. renapper

    renapper Passed away March 8, 2013

    Re: SLSF 4310 4-8-2 -1948

    I am pretty sure that is a Art Gibson, SR. Photo I have all of his pictures in my collection thanks to his son Art Gibson who lives here in Topeka, KS
    Richard
     

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