4-8-2 #1522

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  1. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    Can anyone help me find a blueprint of a 1500 class?
     
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  2. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    I have scanned all Steam locomotive diagrams as well as other stuff. All sent to Mike to post on this web site, lots and lots of information. I am working on my O.R.E.R.s now 1896 to 2011.
     
  3. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    As soon as I can unearth it, I can scan it for you. I think you mean the one I drew with all the modern additions. I can also scan a Frisco diagram for you if that's what you want.
     
  4. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    I have successfully made my first PVC air whistle (3 chime). I wasn't concerned about pitch but I am now. I want to make one with the Frisco 1522 sound (or as close as a PVC whistle can get) for my 4-8-2 bbq grill. How many chimes does the 1522's whistle have and what are their pitches? I've analyzed several youtube clips of the 1522 and, as best I can tell, there are at least 3. I think the lowest pitch (when the whistle sounds completely open) is around Bb3/B3, there seems to be a middle pitch around D3, and the highest pitch seems to be about F4/F#4. In one clip it sounded like B-D-F# or a B minor chord. In another clip it sounded like Bb-D-F or a Bb major chord. I'm not sure if it's just a pitch difference in the clips or if other factors such as temp., humidity, track speed (wind resistance), barometric pressure, steam characteristics, etc. alter the pitch slightly in any way. Please reply if you have knowlegdge about the 1522 whistle.
     
  5. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    Did 1522's tender have a dog house at one time?

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  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    Toward the end of her career 1522 was used in freight service. At least one other 1500 (1503) was converted back to a coal burner and used in freight service. Some 4-6-2's even had doghouses.

    Tom G.
     
  7. Frisco1515

    Frisco1515 Frisco1515

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    whistle pitch. If you can find a VHS by Pentrex ;called "St. Louis Steam Celebration", there are many opportunities to hear the whistle, especially at the scene when the UP 844 and the 1522 are saying "goodbye" at the Steam Museum. If you arm yourself with an electronic pitch indicator you MIGHT be able to zero in on the exact pitches. Good luck.
     
  8. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    Not bragging, but being a HS band director, I have a pretty good ear for discerning pitches. So, I decided to attempt to use my training and experience to find the pitches of the 1522's whistle from my 1994 video:

    [video=youtube;j03m-bYv5fo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03m-bYv5fo[/video]22

    I recorded the original video directly onto a VHS cassette tape in 1994 with my parents old RCA VHS cassette video camera. 15 years later, in 2009, I finally dubbed the VHS to DVD with my VHS/DVD-RW. Then, I decrypted the DVD in my computer, converted the file to WMV format for youtube, and uploaded it to youtube. As long as the pitch did not change through all of those steps, I believe I have determined the 1522 played a lovely "B minor" chord. It sounds to me like I heard 3 chimes. (Musical notes/pitches: B2, D3, & F#3) The frequencies for each chime sound like 123.47Hz, 146.83Hz, and 185.00Hz. I can't say I'm 100% correct about these being the absolute pitches of the 1522 in June 1994, but it certainly sounds like it to me. Maybe someone will find this info useful, intriguing, or at the very least, humorous.
    Here's the chart I used to translate music tones into Hz... http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
    - Brandon
     
  9. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2 -1998

    It sounds like you have all the technical skill and hardware needed to find out what you wanted to know. When you get your whistle hooked up and fine-tuned, it would be fun to hear it. I hope you will share a *.wav-file with us, then.

    Everyone talks about the mournful sound of the steam locomotive. The minor triad here certainly gives that impression. I wonder why tuning was to a minor rather than a major, happier-sounding key. Dissonance seems to be desirable because another thread talks about the 5-tone diesel horns being a B minor 9th chord.
    ( http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1627-Replacement-of-the-Wabco-horns-with-Leslies - Post #19)

    (Why does such a sad sound make us all so happy to hear it...? :) )

    George
     
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  10. Frisco1515

    Frisco1515 Frisco1515

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    Excellent work on finding the pitch of the whistle. Perhaps the minor chord was chosen because it might sound more like a warning that a major chord would give. The Frisco steam whistle was often described as having a beautiful baritone sound.
     
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  11. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    I saw a video of 1522 with a CB&Q 5 chime whistle and questioned that decision. I love that deep 1522 whistle. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
     
  12. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Re: SLSF 1522 4-8-2

    The five chimer was off a Burlington mike, and was used on a trip around the old Burlington Route. It was fun to play with.
    Our whistle could make different sound depending on how we turned the body on the base and which chamber was facing out. We also had an IC whistle on it for a while, which sounded basically the same except it would shriek if you surprised it.
     
  13. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    0-6-0 3695 is now indoors at the Museum of Transport. This was taken as good news (http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/frisco-3695-pt-2.8331/ )

    On the other hand, 1522 was outside along with the TRRA 0-8-0. I certainly hope this is temporary, but the opportunity for a 360-degree view in full sun was welcome.
    I did not ask why it was out there.

    The Rock Island "Office Caboose" occupies the indoor space where 1522 had been.
     
  14. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hey, Don, were you able to get different sounds out of the Frisco whistle by controlling the volume of air, or did the full chord play no matter how hard the whistle cord would be pulled? I used to play with the horns on the Frisco units and could change the sound depending on how far I pulled on the handle. I don't think it is possible to do that now with the new diesels. I live close enough to the line down Bowden hill and follow freights up or down the hill in my mind by listening to the crossing being blown by the engineer. Brings back memories, but I am still glad I am retired:).

    Terry
     
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  15. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    You could quill the 1522's whistle. You could also loosen the top nut and turn the whistle body and change the sound by presenting different chambers frontward. The Burlington whistle was fun to play with. We were sitting on display at Galesburg and I was barely pulling on the cord and it was sounding like a calliope. Not loud, just loud enough to hear next to the engine. Everybody thought that was funny.
    The IC whistle had even more of a minor sound to it, even though it was identical in size, etc, to 1522's.
    My Dad was very adept at steam whistles and first gen diesel horns, back when they had a cord.
     
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  16. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Terry, all of the modern diesels have a push-button to activate the horn, so it is controlled by a solenoid valve; either open or closed. No way to play the horn.
     
  17. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    This weekend the MOT is hosting a "shoot" and several locomotives are out in the open. The event also includes a night time session with special lighting.

    The 1522 is out in the sun and looking a bit tattered. image.jpeg
     
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  18. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    It really was fun to play with the horn on the units we could. It added a little variety to the sounds.
    Terry
     
  19. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    From Richard Crabtree on the Frisco Rails Across Missouri Facebook group:
    Some people get to chase the dream and some people get to live the dream ~ Here is one lucky fellow Donald Jon Wirth, who was able to be the Engineer for the "Pride of the Frisco Stables" ~ Frisco No. 1522. May we all be so lucky to live our dreams!

    SLSF #1522 4-8-2 and Donald Jon Wirth.jpg
     
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  20. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Women go crazy for a sharp dressed man!
     
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