182-187 4-4-0s Modernized

Discussion in '4-4-0 American' started by frisco1522, Mar 18, 2006.

  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter


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    I just received a picture of 187 on the QA&P in her tear down time from retirement. So sad. So very sad. I'll see if I can post it.
  3. okrlroads

    okrlroads Member

    Link to a little bit of Frisco info about passenger service to Perry, Ok, engine # 185, the demise of steam, ect.


    Haven't gone thur all the the articles listed there in the side columns, but more interesting info is available at the museum.
  4. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    The picture of the 183 that Karl posted doesn't show much of the front end, but you can see the pipe going into the smokebox which was part of the Coffin system. I would really love to find any pictures of these engines in St. Louis or anywhere along the St. Louis-Newburg segment.
  5. geep07

    geep07 Member

    I noticed the water level gauge on the water tower. As it indicates, is the water level low? or is it the opposite full? Does each numbered level indicate gallons, ft. etc....

    I was born in '51 by the time I knew anything about railroading, all the steam locomotives were gone and the water towers!
  6. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Geep07 noted and wondered: "I noticed the water level gauge on the water tower. As it indicates, is the water level low? or is it the opposite full? Does each numbered level indicate gallons, ft. etc...."

    It could be either way. If there was a float inside connected to a line over a pulley to the weighted marker outside, a higher level in the tank would put the marker lower on the gauge. On the other hand, there could be some kind of mechanism that followed the tank level, though I am not sure how they would do that.

    The answer for this particular tank would come from close scrutiny of the numbers. If low numbers were near the top, the first mechanism operated. (I just looked at the picture. The numbers are pretty easy to read and lower numbers are near the top, so it is a float-pulley-marker system. What do the numbers mean: hundreds of gallons, thousands of gallons?)

    George Nelson
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  7. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    George - after looking at the drawings for the Beaumont tank, my guess is that the gauge shows feet of water left in the tank. From that, someone, no doubt, made a crib sheet showing how many gallons per foot.
  8. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    The spacing looks about right for feet of water in the tank given the scaling of the photo.
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Most of of the tubs used in Frisco tanks were 16'-0 x 24'-0. The lettering on the indicator boards are marked in 1 foot increments. The indicator is as George speculates. Inside the tank is a galvanized steel float that hangs on a line that travels over 2, 6" sheaves. Therefore, the indicator will be low on the indicator board when the tank is full. Since a cubic foot equals 7.48052 gallons, each foot of water in the tub equates to about 3382.39 gallons.
  10. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Thanks, Karl, for the good modeling information about the tank. It would appear the water would drop just over a foot to fill the tank on the 4-4-0. Judging from the position of the marker, that may have happened just before the picture was taken!

  11. Andrew Durden

    Andrew Durden Member


    New to the list, resurrecting an old thread. Are there any surviving technical documents, drawings, ect., related to the upgrading of these locomotives?
  12. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Andrew, welcome to the group - and my apologies for not welcoming you sooner.

    Not sure if this will fit the bill, but the old "Frisco Modeler's Information Group" Newsletter #5 from November, 1976 has a drawing of 183, 185, 186 with notations indicating "REBUILT BY SL-SF RY. CO. AUG. 1928 TO OCT. 1929."

    FMIG Newsletters

    Best Regards,

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