Another truck question

Discussion in 'Modeling Tips' started by skyraider, Jun 9, 2022.

  1. fredman23

    fredman23 Member

    Don't know if this helps. This International (my dad always called them "Binders," I guess because the company also made agricultural equipment) was at the steam tractor show at Pawnee, OK, a few years ago. I wanted to take it home. Don't know the vintage, but I love the 4WD, the new diamond tread fenders, and the otherwise general rustiness.

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  2. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Don't you know that thing rides rough!!!
     
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  3. Great truck. It would be a kidney pounder for sure.
     
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  4. paul slavens

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  5. paul slavens

    paul slavens Member

    Check out the 1974 Autocar loaded with a pumping unit, two days ago I hauled the unit from Bowden to Sperry and my route was Tulsa 244 then 75 North to 86th Street N and then west across Bird Creek. The unit was 14' 1" high so I called to find out the lowest overpass clearance and it was 14' 10" so I went with it. Yesterday I took a trailer loaded with the tower and beam and put it all together. This load in this configuration would certainly be correct in the Frisco years, it has been utilized for decades. Fun fact the Bethlehem pumping unit on back was built in 1957, it worked in SW Texas until a couple years ago I brought it to Tulsa and built the new base it sits on.
     
  6. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    That thing looks tuff. We had a 60sumthin IH pickup truck. That was the most misused, mistreated beat up truck I ever saw, it never quit, not one time.
     
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  7. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Great information--thanks a ton. That's interesting about the Bethlehem unit being in SW TX. So many of the pumpjacks out here are Lufkin. That's also great info about the era and compatability with modeling Frisco.

    Thanks for sharing!!!
     
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  8. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    IMG_5845.JPG Ok...it's nearly done. Needs some weathering, will maybe rethink the load. The tanks--even on a lowboy--are nearly 20' up in the air. There are lots of bridges that these won't clear. Maybe the tank needs to be in a wood cradle on it's side, shipped one at a time. Paul Slavens can chime in with his thoughts.

    Speaking of Mr Slavens...he gave me a great idea regarding how you lift a tank off of a trailer. He said there's a 4" fitting on top of the tank in the center. He has a threaded peice with a loop that screws right into the fitting, and he can hook onto the loop and lift it right up. Very cool!! It's hard to see, but one of the tanks has the piece with the loop and the other just has a hole simulating the 4" fitting.

    The exhaust stack needs to be straightened. Another cast resin faux pas. The windshields didn't come out very good. At some point in time, I may redo them. Making windows is definitely one of the things that are not fun to me.

    One other detail: mirror choice. After doing quite a bit of research on Mack B cab trucks, the mirrors started changing in the middle 1950's to the larger style truck mirrors that are common now. Unfortunately, the cab casting made it impossible to drill holes and attach the larger mirrors on the door. The upper portion of the mirror would have attached on the body above the door, which doesn't work. Since my layout is late steam / early diesel (with quite a bit of fudge factor), I opted for the early style long stalk smaller round mirrors. tank tops.jpg IMG_5844.JPG IMG_5849.JPG
     
  9. fredman23

    fredman23 Member

    Needs a wide load banner and stuff, don't it?
     
  10. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Did they have those in 1950?
     
  11. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul, Nice, neat, awesome thread! The picture is almost perfect except the flatbed truck looks like it broke an axle - must have fallen into a Texas prairie dog's hole?
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I never saw tanks as tall as those loaded that way on a trailer; they would have been laying on a side. That tall would not have cleared power and telephone lines.

    Where did you get the pumping unit?
     
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  12. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Hi Sherrel,

    Yeah, I noticed the rear axles tilted down to the right after I took the photo. There is some pretty uneven ground out here--just ask Tom!

    The tanks are actually very typical--15' tall. The tanks are measured in barrels, and 210 bbl, 300 bbl, etc., are all 15' tall. Hopefully, Paul Slavens will have time to respond and say whether or not the tanks would have been transported upright or on their side. They are very often moved on a gin pole truck at an angle on the flatbed laid up against the poles, and are much lower than upright.

    Where I live, you can drive for miles and never go under a bridge or overpass. There's not a single overpass between here and Quanah, which is about 80 miles north of is. The same going south or west--I can't think of a single overhead structure other than power lines. Power lines are a different story, and I don't know how high they are. If you read Paul's post a couple of days ago where he transported a pumping unit on his truck, he said that the load was 14' 1" tall.

    The pumpjack was made by Alexander Models, and I would steer clear of their products. It was the most poorly cast model I've ever seen. It took forever to make the thing look decent and fit together. Parts were missing. When I contacted the company via e-mail, they never responded. Walthers also makes a pumping unit in HO scale, as does one other manufacturer (can't remember who). The reasons I bought the two from Alexander Scale Models kits were 1) I had no idea they were such poor models and 2) they are models of the specific Lufkin pumping units that are prevalent here.

    Thanks for the comments!!!
     
  13. paul slavens

    paul slavens Member

    As far as hauling tanks, I can chime in for my experience in the Tulsa and OKC area. Tanks come typically in two sizes here and they are 202s and 210s . 202s are by far the most common size up here they are 12' wide and 10' tall. We always haul 202s in the upright position and pick them up from the very center of the tank at the top, there is a 4 inch threaded connection that we screw a hoop into so the winch line cable can pick it up. the 210 tanks are 10' wide and 15' tall. We pick them up by running the winch cable all the way around the tank and back to itself about midway and it puts them in a horizontal position for loading since they would approach 17' height on a trailer and would not clear many of the bridges and overpasses in this area. there are exceptions to every rule and one day about 10 years ago I had to move a pair of 210s about 4 miles down route 66 so I just picked them up with the winch cable and they assumed the horizontal position and I hauled them one at a time hanging from the poles right down the road. Instead of getting permits for the 15' wide load I just waited til daylight on the Sunday morning . fun stuff
     
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  14. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Thanks for the info, Paul. What about hauling in a totally rural area like where I live? There's literally not a bridge or overpass anywhere within 80-100 mils of our house. Daily we see oilfield wide loads going down highway 380 through our town.

    The tanks built for the lowboy and pictured in the last post are 210s. Would there be wooden blocking or wooden cradles to hold a tank on it's side ? Maybe I should have one on the lowboy in the horizontal position. The most common tanks here are 210s and 300s, which--I think--are 15' tall and 12' in diameter. A shot of each is attached. Interesting story...the ratty looking 300s pictured were hit by lightening about five years ago. It blew the roof completely out of the far right tank. 1835 4.jpg IMG_3902 copy.jpg
     
  15. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    According to Texas law, a special load with a permit can be up to 18' 11" in height. The route would have to be planned accordingly, but it can be fairly high and still be transported by road.
     
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  16. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Ok...here's a nearly final shot. Sherrel, the truck on the right has been leveled so it will hopefully meet your approval;).

    Someday there will be backdrops...someday.

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  17. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    That's an awesome scene -- even without the backdrop!
    I was so captivated by the scene that I had not noticed the missing backdrop ... Looks like a Texas sky (more or less) to me!
     
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  18. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Thanks, Sherrel.
     
  19. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Sorry about all the truck questions, but that's what I'm working on in regards to the layout right now.

    The latest truck project is an Oskhosh 4 wheel drive diesel dump truck. Until I bought this model in the group of truck stuff I bought a couple of months ago, I'd never heard of an Oshkosh truck. It turns out that they were mostly used by the military, and government agencies up north for snow plow work and summer dump truck jobs. Since there's no need for a plow truck in Texas, I might put it with the mine scene on the Colorado portion of the layout as a dump truck. It still needs the bumper, headlights and a few other odds and ends.

    Here's the question: The frame was left a little long to leave some room between the cab and the dump bed. There's more room than needed, so could there be a tank or hydraulic reservoir on the frame behind the cab? Something like that would look good to take up the space, but I can't think of what else would go there. The tank behind the cab isn't glued on yet so substitutions can still be made. Many of you know trucks of the 1950' / 1960's (and just trucks in general) way better than I do. Please throw some opinions out there!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks,
    Paul Moore

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  20. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    That's a neat looking model to start with! Curious as to who put it out?
    I think the tank looks good there - gasoline, diesel, etc - even one with an oval end too?

    This is a WAG, but possibility of the truck having a longer frame is to leverage the front end as to not come off the ground when dumping? There is quite a bit of spacing between the rear wheels and the tailgate end of the dump bed.
     
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