Frisco 1350-1356 Class 2-8-2

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  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    1350: rebuilt during 1943 from 1341
    1351: rebuilt during 1943 from 1313
    1352: rebuilt during 1944 from 1321
    1353: rebuilt during 1944 from 1322
    1354: rebuilt during 1945 from 1316
    1355: rebuilt during 1945 from 1318
    1356: rebuilt during 1946 from 1342; the last Frisco steam locomotive construction project of the West Shops, Springfield, MO

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  2. Mike Ellicott

    Mike Ellicott Member

    Thanks. Good information. Here's how we'd like to use the photo.
     

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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Your key take-aways for this locomotive are:

    It was built by Schenectady Locomotive Works (ALCO) during 1912 as locomotive 1313. See the attached 1306-1345 class diagram for the locomotives’ as-built look.

    The archive shows sister locomotive 1328 during 1948 at KCMO...http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...uly-20-1948-Arthur-B.-Johnson-Schenectady.jpg

    During 1943, the 1313 was rebuilt from a 2-8-0 into a 2-8-2.
    This class of locomotives was last group of 2-8-2 to be built by a railroad.
    The tractive effort remained the same, 53355 lbs, after the rebuilding. It should be noted that the TE shown on the 1306-1345 diagram is based on a boiler pressure of 18o psi. During the 1920’s, the Frisco increased the BP to 195psi, which resulted in the 53355 lbs TE. To be sure, the trailing truck booster engine increased starting TE, but once the train had reached a speed 12-15 mph, it was cut-out. The rebuilding increased the surface heating area, the addition of the Coffin Feedwater Heater, the Locomotive Valve Pilot, and the smoke consumers improve the locomotives’ efficiency and steaming capacity.

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  4. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Nice display. If you can, change the photo credit to R.J.Foster. Photo in St. Louis.
     
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  5. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    I'd like to see the descriptive errors corrected - there are several:

    The American Locomotive Company (Alco) built a 2-8-0 Consolidation #1313 for the St. Louis and San Francisco Railway Company, The “Frisco Line,” in 1912.

    In 1943, the railroad modernized #1313 in their Springfield, MO, shops, rebuilding it into a 2-8-2 #1351 making it more powerful to handle increased loads during WWII.


    This would be more in keeping with the information supplied above by our resident Frisco "Guru" ... KARL.
    Thank you,
    A beautiful photo!
     
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  6. Mike Ellicott

    Mike Ellicott Member

    Sherrel:

    Thanks for you comments. I understand your point. We are trying to keep the signs brief and concise, something everyone can understand. I've given many tours of the locomotive and discuss 1313's modernization and conversion from a Consolidation to a Mikado as part of the tour. Everyone in a general audience gets the concept of modernizing and enlarging the locomotive. Most eyes glaze over (other than the one or two railroad buffs in the group) when I start talking about Consolidations and Mikados so I elected to keep the sign simple. We are improving the firebox drawing (Right now the flame intrudes into the cab) and the diagram of the valve, piston, and cylinder to be more accurate.

    Thanks again for looking at the signs and providing your recommendations.

    Mike Ellicott
     
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  7. ncstl576

    ncstl576 Member

    I've seen photos of these engines hanging around Springfield (Missouri, that is) - does anyone know how often they traveled to Birmingham, Alabama?
     
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