Thanks, Oldguy. Hard to believe I was in Sligo about 30 years ago and there was no sign of any such activity. The land reclaimed itself.
Shay locomotives in Missouri are listed at the following. www.shaylocomotives.com 's @ https://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/searchdataframe.htm . Shays in Missouri numbered about 45. They are listed below. The pic's could been a lot of places, but Dillard looks like the place. The Huzzah flooding likely required a steel truss to be built over the creek. The creek did have water flooding rises ~ 9' at Dillard. Trusses were the cheapest way to go in those old days for over a stream. I camped some down-stream and saw a 12' rise when waking up in next morning after a massive downpour all night. It was already during the wet reason. Could not go swimming and fishing. The camping trips remembered where when there were rain-outs and mud. The width of the water looks like the Huzzah in the wet/rain season. The population of Dillard peaked at 250 to 400 after the 1912 expansion of the tracks to Viburnum. After the closing of the S&E: A Web-Search for the State of Missouri Historical Society (SMOHS) discusses furnace company and the closing of the S&E. There are several documents posted, and more are at the libraries, some are micro-filmed. One is a large engineering drawing of the Sligo Town including even the details liked the sewers . The papers were taken out of the attic of the boss 's house. I think those papers state that the S&E operated until 1929, well after the furnace part of the business shut down. The wiki list of railroads also states the S&E was in operation 1902-1929. Sligo Furnace RR 1880-1881 to build/pay for the Sligo Branch. Getting ready for the furnace and the town, the furnace and their Sligo Furnace Railroad department had to formed ~ 1876. It was formed to gain more investors, do their planning, do engineering, set up resources needed away from Sligo and purchase what would be needed. Elsewhere in Dent County, the Sligo Furnace company had ownership's for mines and additional timber sources. After the furnace blew-out, there were some feed-stock still sold; such as timber, cord-wood, lumber, char-coal, also some distillates and a few mining operations. That cash flow paid for the destruction's of the furnace and more. It paid for the company's remaining bills, legal negotiations, court cases, taxes, selling items and scrap, and payments to investors. SMOHS 's papers say it was in ~ 1934 that the financial books were closed for the Furnace & the S&E companies. The SMOHS received papers, map and drawings from the boss's attic. Railroads in Missouri, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Missouri_railroads Ava 985 Barfield 413 Besland 353 Birchton 342 Bloomfield 834 Cape Girardeau 834 870 Dundee 1551 1926 2145 Dunklin 430 East Prairie 692 Fremont 3015 Gideon 70 Henderson Mound 2431 Kansas City 1551 1926 2145 2570 2659 Kirkwood 1551 Leeper 2025 Louisville 1592 Malden 70 Naylor 70 New Madrid 834 Poplar Bluff 245 589 590 600 829 1977 Rock Hill 1592 Sligo 1744 1929 2883 St. Louis 70 257 1926 1962 Washington 2145 West Eminence 3130 3154 Williamsville 283 unknown 70
The photos show both sides of the truss. Opposite directions. I was camping at Red Bluff on the Huzzah Creek near Davisville one summer. My date told me that we needed for ice. So I went up to the highway and found an establishment. I got out and noticed that the parking lot did not have any white road base-rock. The entire parking area was beer bottle caps. Millions of them. I started walking and then noticed that the establishment had no glass in the windows, and there likely was no door. Got my ice and got the h__l out of there fast. As a kid at Irondale Scout Camp some adults came to get my best friend, he had to leave. His uncle had been murdered when he was alone at his (weekend) big farm on the Huzzah Creek. He was in the barn and more blood than his body. They never solved the murder, but they always sad that it had to be a drugging local no good so_ of a B___h. I did not mind their language under the circumstances. A few years later, that family let us older teens (explorer scouts) to use an old hewed log cabin in the far end part of the farm for own weekend outings... that lasted for ~ 4 years til we all went to various colleges. The creek could rise 10 feet overnight when it had been raining very hard for 18 hours. The farm is south of Hwy. 8 and north of settlement of Huzzah where there is another slab crossing. Oh, I remember that in the attic of the farm house there was a bazooka from WWll.
Ha, ha, Charles you went to good ‘ol Pole Bridge Tavern and lived to tell about it! Most notorious establishment in Crawford County. Pat Moreland, Wesco, Missouri
Pole Bridge Tavern Pat, I guess it was/is by Huzzah bridge? Was the original crossing made with wood poles? Or are there poles within the tavern for you know what? Was/is there glass in its windows? What does the Huzzah bridge look like today? Somewhere East of Steelville on Hwy. 8 was an old tavern I think high on the hill, northside of the highway. That is another story. How much does Crater Red bottles cost? I guess shipping is costly.
Sorry for the late reply. I'm guessing a little bit, but am about 99% sure that the tavern is named for the State Route V Huzzah Creek bridge, which is just south of the bridge. The current bridge is fairly new, and is made of concrete. Sorry, no dancing poles that I know of. When I was a sheriff's deputy, about 15 years ago, my partner stopped a pickup at the bridge around midnight, and the driver bailed and ran down the creek bed. When I got there, I walked a little ways into the woods and hid along a gravel bar. No joke, I caught and handcuffed him when I heard him yelling for his mother. He had meth in the cab and a poached deer in the bed. Good times. Pat Moreland, Wesco, Missouri
In your post #22 above, all those hyperlinks for the Shays at individual locations are broken Charles. How did you put the hyperlinks there?
From a Search for Shay Locomotives brings up Shay Locomotive https://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/searchdataframe.htmSn-1500-3354 Click on https://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/searchdataframe.htm Brings up Search Database The Full Shay Data Base Over 24,050 search links: Do not click on Report Bad Link or Data Do not click on Search Database by Lima # Do not click on by Class, Do not click on by Gauge, Click on by Location by states Brings up Shays by Locations in U.S. States AL ... MS MO MT NV.....WI WY etc. Click on MO Brings up Shays in Missouri Ava 985 Barfield 413 .... Gideon 70 Henderson Mound 2431 .... Leeper 2025 .... New Madrid 834 Poplar Bluff 245 589 590 600 829 1977 example; Sligo locomotives 1744 1929 2883 .... West Eminence 3130 3154 Williamsville 283 Pick a locomotive at Sligo (example 1744) Brings up Builder: Picture ShaySligo 1744 1929.jpg Credits: Shop Number: Trucks: Cylinders: Gear Ratio: Wheel Dia.: Gauge: Boiler: Boiler Pressure: Tractive Effort: Factor of Adhesion: Maximum Safe Speed: Fuel Type: Capacity: Water Capacity: Gallons Weight: Owners History: Disposition: Notes: ~~~~~~~~ Do not click on w/ Photos & Surviving by NAMED Shays Owned by Dealers Search Shays by 4826 Owners #ABCD....UVWXYZ Surviving Do not click on Willamette's Do not click on Shay Home Page
That did not answer my question. On post #22 above, you inserted hyperlinks (the locomotive numbers at various locations). Those hyperlinks do not work. I was asking how you went about creating the post with those hyperlinks. BTW, there were never any Shays at Cape Girardeau. They may have been somewhere else and owned by some entity that had an office in Cape Girardeau.
A TEST Using the hyperlink I did a new search about the Shay site. The Shays by numbers at a specific location; did work. By Shays numbers within the list of all Shays in MO the Shays numbers did work A. I do not know? I guess the prior frisco.org conversation was just too old. Some type of routing, software, etc that did not work anymore. B. Using the hyperlink found # 870 & # 834 listed as in Cape Girardeau, MO [ ref. BTW, there were never any Shays at Cape Girardeau, (I think so ). They may have been somewhere else and owned by some entity that had an office in Cape Girardeau. (perhaps, or something else]. Using the hyperlink #870 did work #834 did work (11-1-1938) Lutesville Sand & Lutesville Sand & Gravel Co. was in Cape Girardeau County, # 870 Owners listed: 1. Henderson-Bennett Lbr. Co. #3, Bennett, LA 2. (1-26-1909) Wyatt Lbr. Co., Ltd, Wyatt, LA 3. (6-2-1918) Graves Brothers, McNeil, AR 4. (9-7-1921) W. W. Drake, Stephens, AR 5. (10-9-1926) McNulty-Grayson Lbr. Co. #5, Stephens, AR 6. (8-16-1928) Farrell Loco. Works (D), Brinkley, AR * 7. (11-1-1938) Lutesville Sand & Gravel Co., Cape Girardeau, MO 7th owner # 834 Owners listed; 1. Mishler Lbr. Co. #99, New Madrid, MO 2. Cape Cooperage Co., Cape Girardeau, MO 3. Bolz Cooperage Co., Cape Girardeau, MO Another TEST Forums>Historical>Operations> Example of a link posted on frisco.com that doesn't open up to be viewed. Chris http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?3116-E-L-Brand&p=20283#post20283 the Link 1924 Through Car Service Equipment Brings up; NOT FOUND The requested URL was not found on this server. 1924 Through Car Service Equipment Also didn't work when posted on a new conversation. From time-to-time I have found on a historical file, is a posted Link that will not open anymore. I also find that sometimes by doing a search on the www, a website that does not open up anymore. I do not know why.
1) Charles, wiping across a page and copying material from someone else's web page will ofttimes result in broken links such as those that are still broken in post #22. While the hyperlinks might work on the web page where you lifted them from, the way you lifted (copied) them resulted in the broken links on this forum. 2) While there may have been business offices in Cape Girardeau of businesses that owned Shays, those Shays were never operating in Cape Girardeau. 3) One thing to note about Frisco.org is that the forum was moved from vBulletin software to the present Xenforo software some years ago. In the automated process some hyperlinks in old posts did not get properly linked. The link http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?3116-E-L-Brand&p=20283 that you indicate is one example. As I have encountered them or if they are reported to me, I attempt to fix them, but I have to know what forum / sub-forum they are in. For example, there was enough information in that old URL that I was able to search, find the correct location and fix that old link in Karl's post #2 of this thread where you encountered the broken link. http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/river-division-operations.871/#post-5350. In other cases, none of the old forum internal hyperlinks that pointed to images in the image gallery or objects (files) on posts made the conversion process and are virtually impossible to fix. While I have been typing this response and fixing the above hyperlink, I encountered 6 other broken internal links and have fixed them. I am still trying to find where 1924 Through Car Service Equipment should link to.
K, The E-World of computing science evolves faster than one can keep up with what it is all about. Good Luck! C
Hello friends! New to railroad research here, and I have been out hiking in the woods all morning, walking the old path of the S&E through Mark Twain National Forest. One of the more locally famous spots on this line is known as “Lost Lake”. In the days of the S&E, this lake wouldn’t have existed at all. That’s because it only existed BECAUSE of the S&E. The S&E was under construction from Sligo to Dillard in 1903. When the rail approached the James Branch (Jim’s Branch on some maps), the creek had carved out a massive “cut” into the earth. The Sligo Furnace Company founded a community, known as Summit, on the closer side of the cut, and work began on what would be the largest wooden trestle in the state. (Photo #1 announces the construction, Photo #2 is after construction is completed.) The line continued onward to Dillard. The next part of the story is purely speculation. Looking at the ruins of the wooden trestle, there is a lot of burnt wood. This leads me to believe that the trestle caught fire at some point around 1910. Obviously, this would stop all lumber coming into the Sligo Furnace, and had to be corrected immediately. The company did not have time to waste reconstructing the massive trestle, so it was decided to fill the cut with dirt, using the trestle ruins as framing. Back to facts and not speculation, Photo #3 documents that a company was hired to “fill in” the cut at Summit in 1910. A massive dam of dirt was piled over the charred remains of the wooden trestle, and an old boiler pipe was used as a culvert to ensure that the James Branch could flow properly. Maintenance was regularly performed on the new earthen trestle, including cleaning the culvert out. The S&E was put out of service in the mid-1920s, which meant maintenance ceased. The culvert slowly filled in over the years, creating an unintentional lake in the hollow. Later, this land became part of the Mark Twain National Forest. The lake became popular with fishermen (my dad included) and the US Forest Service began stocking the lake. In 2016, locals raised concerns over the dropping water levels of the lake, and pointed out leaks forming in the dam wall. The US Forest Service began developing a plan to reinforce the dam. It was too late. In 2017, hundreds of fish went on the ride of their life when the Lost Lake dam broke. When US Forest Service officials arrived to survey the damage, they were shocked at the burnt trestle that was exposed in the collapse. The trestle had decayed over the years, due to water, weight, etc, and was the reason the dam failed. No one in the US Forest Service had been informed that there was a wooden trestle inside the earthen trestle. The massive boiler pipe that was used as a culvert was washed a few hundred feet downstream. Saving Lost Lake became impossible. Photo #4 shows the old R.O.W. for the S&E just before the trestle at Lost Lake. Photo taken today. Photos #5-#8 show the ruins of the trestle at Lost Lake. The wooden remains are shown deep inside the earthen dam. All of these photos were taken today.
