St. Louis, MO, St. Louis Union Station, Rolla Subdivision, MP 0.0, St. Louis Subdivision, MP 0.0

Discussion in 'Depots Q-Z' started by Frisco Meteor, Mar 26, 2006.

  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Sure!, as long as it fits on the calendar.

    Lots of places to visit here - plus rumor has it the Italian food is fairly good.

    Ken
     
  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The HILL is THE place for good Italian food and best of all, it is in the heart of St Louis Frisco territory.
     
  3. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    I am very impressed!

    A beautiful restoration, and thank goodness someone had the foresight to preserve it.

    Strange, I have been to the shopping mall there, but, if I remember correctly, we parked the rental car in a lot out back? I can't recall much. I was following skirts around at that time of my life. :rolleyes: Some of which I'd like to forget. :eek:

    A visit has been logged on the "bucket list". :cool:
     
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  4. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

  5. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Yes, it does.

    I have a foldout that was a part of the book St. Louis Union Station and Its Railroads by Norbury Wayman which shows all of the scheduled trains of all the railroads using Union Depot on Jan. 20, 1929.

    This foldout shows the Frisco had nine scheduled in bound and out bound regular passenger trains plus three out bound and three in bound suburban trains for a total of twenty four trains a day during the week with the suburban trains having a different schedule on Saturday and Sunday. The Frisco was right up among the heaviest users of the depot.

    I just wish I could have seen the beautiful depot in its hey day as it must have been quite a sight. I read somewhere that at one time it was the busiest railroad station in the world. Someone else can fill in the statistics as I can't remember where I read that.

    Not only did the Frisco have a good number of trains that used the depot, but the Texas Special was the longest train on many occasions. Saving this depot and the one in Kansa City, which is another spectacular edifice, were one of the most far sighted moves both cities had.

    While Tulsa's depot is not as large, it too, was a beautiful building built in the early 1930s in the art deco style. All three of these depots came close to disappearing, but thank fully they were saved.

    Thanks for posting this video.

    Terry
     
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  6. neuefruhling

    neuefruhling Member

    Thank You for the video, it was very nice.

    I was at Union Station in December and wanted to see inside, but a sign was posted reserving the station section, not the trainshed, for hotel guests. The hotel owns the entire stone edifice now.

    I guess I am too nice. I should have gone in.

    Nathan
     
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  7. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    My daughter and son in law stayed in the hotel last October, and they told us that there were many empty shopping areas in the mall train shed area.

    They were told that a redo was in the works with new shops coming when it was finished. I will say that if the hotel does not allow people to walk through and look at that beautiful building that many of the potential customers will not come to look and shop.

    The main draw to that area is the depot and not the shops, as far as I am concerned. I don't see how they can keep people out of the public areas because they are, well, public. People walk through hotel lobbies and other buildings all the time. It doesn't make sense to me.

    I agree with you that you should have gone on inside. I have actually gone into some areas that I probably would not have been permitted if they had seen me, but all I was doing was looking.

    It would be a shame if that building became the attraction for only those who can afford the high room rates.

    Terry
     
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  8. railroadpete

    railroadpete Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks for posting this video.

    I remember going into this depot with my dad in 1969-70. It was a little run down back then, but we could still take the train from Owensboro/Mt. Vernon on the L&N into the original shed.

    I remember going to the zoo for the day and taking the train back the same day.

    Pete
     
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  9. tboyne

    tboyne Frisco Employee

    Stayed in the hotel last April and posted photographs here recently.

    I was told the depot had the largest shed in the world once upon a time.

    I think they said 48 trains could be set under it.
     
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  10. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    The link that Gregg posted on February 20, 2014 seems to be broken.

    I got an error message when I tried to watch the video.

    Would one of the administrators please help us?

    Joe
     
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  11. geep07

    geep07 Member

    Me too!

    Ooops That page can't be found!
     
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  12. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Maybe this is it.

     
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  13. Union Station, Mogul 2-6-0 Frisco passenger train leaving in 1904, the year of the 1904 World's Fair.

    Picture:

    http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index....8/&temp_hash=b7b5ad802d70b8d9f5403a94b1dc4a2a
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    1904 Rail Network Map, of all tracks around St. Louis, St. Louis County and in Illinois.

    1904 Historical Topographic Map Website St. Louis:

    http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/missouri/pclmaps-topo-mo-saint-louis-1903.jpg

    Click on the map to zoom in. Scroll horizontally and and vertically. It goes far in all directions. The map also shows the layout of the Fair Grounds.

    Other Examples:
    Rail yards for industries in Valley Park.
    Tunnel at Meramec Heights.
    Other type rail transportation systems that were not railroads.
    Illinois railyards

    HISTORICAL TOPO MAP WEBSITES:
    Each historical map has a different survey and edition date.

    Select any state

    http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/topo_us.html

    Select any Missouri maps by county or name.

    http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/missouri/


    http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/missouri/

    Select St. Louis and St. Louis County. 1904

    http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/missouri/pclmaps-topo-mo-saint-louis-1903.jpg

    Also an attachment.
     

    Attached Files:

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  14. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Nice picture.

    Engine does not appear to be a Mogul.

    Looks to have 4-wheel pilot truck?

    Almost looks like it has four driving axles?

    Andre
     
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  15. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    It looks like an early Pacific type with split counterweights.

    Is it 1009?

    See Frisco Power p. 125 for a side view.

    I have seen the photograph before, but neither in Stagner's Steam Locomotives of the Frisco Line nor in Frisco Power.
     
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  16. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    That loco is a 4-6-2 Pacific, looks like 1008.

    The trailing truck has large diameter wheels.
     
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  17. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Thanks Windsor and Keith.

    I knew it wasn't a Mogul, but it looked "odd". It was that last large diameter trailing truck thing. I just don't think in terms of Pacific.

    Much too modern for my aristocratic and elite TOC19 steam interests.

    :ROFLMAO:

    Andre
     
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  18. palallin

    palallin Member

    Andre, they're not too far away. 1905 IIRC, so, pretty close :whistle:
     
  19. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Nay, nay, palallin, I am a true aristocrat of the TOC19 trade, I model the 1880s. :LOL:

    Andre
     
  20. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I've found the photo of Frisco 4-6-2 1008 seen before, Collias's Frisco Power, page xiii in the forward.

    Rich
     
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