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St. Louis Suburban Timetable - St. Louis Worlds Fair - Louisiana Purchase Exposition - 1904

Discussion in 'Public Timetables (PTTs)' started by pensive, Feb 25, 2011.

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  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I think American prosperity also played a major role.

    Two cars! I recall as a child when we had only one car. My mom would drop my dad off at a bus stop to go downtown and pick him up every day. My grandmother did the same with my grandfather. When I first started to drive, the afternoon pick up of my dad was assigned to me.

    We had a beautiful 1957 Chevy BelAir 4-door hardtop V-8 and I loved any chance I had to drive it!

    K
     
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  2. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    One of my daily weekday routines was to ride my bike down the two blocks to the MP Maplewood depot and watch the "Nicklegrabber" make its stop and watch/listen to the 6420 class Pacific bark away from the stop. Always on the advertised at 5:41. Sometimes I would try and race it to Sutton Ave, but never stood a chance. Primitive pacing.

    Then one day the disaster struck. It had an ALCO FA on it.

    Damned diesels.
     
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  3. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Two ideas spring to mind.

    1. Illinois Terminal. For example, the November 1952 Official Guide shows southbound No 99 arriving at Washington Avenue at 07:40, from Granite City 07:17. Northbound No 94 and No 96 left St. Louis at 17:00 and 17:35, respectively for Granite City, Edwardsville, Hamel, Worden, Staunton. Arriving Staunton at 18:09 & 18:45, respectively. Then on up to Springfield.

    2. TRRA Bridge fees may have inhibited "steam railroads" from offering commuter-type service.
     
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  4. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Revival of this thread has motivated me to look at my visitors guide again.

    There were several other railroads besides the Frisco and Missouri Pacific that offered "suburban service" in the guide.

    Big Four Route, New York Central: St. Louis Union Station to Alton.

    Wabash: St. Louis Union Station to St. Charles. This used the passenger route that Metrolink largely uses today.

    Iron Mountain: St. Louis Union Station to Carondolet. It used the Oak Hill route.

    St. Louis Merchants Bridge Terminal Railway: St. Louis Union Station to Granite City.

    Mississippi River & Bonne Terre: St. Louis Union Station to Riverside to Doe Run. It went from Union Station over the Iron Mountain non-stop until it reached Riverside.

    Rock Island and Illinois Terminal must have come later.

    Rich
     
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  5. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    The 1910 Official Guide replica shows the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) had a local, No 35, that arrived early AM and one that left after 17:30, No 38.

    So did B&O, No 21 in the AM and No 22 in the PM, and the L&N, No 54 in the AM and No 55 in the PM.

    These were single trains that just happened to make lots of stops on a schedule that someone might have been able to use to get back and forth between St. Louis and nearby southwestern Illinois towns to do business or maybe even commute.

    Illinois Terminal was not fully constituted by 1910 and apparently connected with the Chicago, Peoria and St. Louis interurban.

    I realize this is after the 1904 period, but does follow Meteor910's question about trains from Illinois.
     
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  6. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    According to Illinois Terminal, The Electric Years by Paul H. Stringham, the McKinley Bridge opened in September 1910.

    Rich
     
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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I thought I had a Rock Island (RI) commuter schedule, but I can't find it.

    I do have a 1916 timetable, but it shows no commuter trains. They did have neo morning train that stopped everywhere eastbound, and one westbound that also stopped everywhere westbound, but not real good times for most commuters.

    As a kid, I remember looking at the concrete wall along the RI as it ran eastbound down to St. Louis Union Station along the route north of Wash University/Lindell.

    The RI bridge over Olive Street Road, just west of the TRRA bridge over Olive Street Road, was removed by the RI about the time I started Junior High.

    Ken
     
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  8. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl,

    I'll look forward to this article, wherever it appears.

    They're always richly detailed and cogently organized. Much more so than any blabbering I could put together.

    Thoroughly enjoying all the stories and insight in this thread.

    Best Regards,
     
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