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Athearn Genesis Frisco GP7s in Black & Yellow

Discussion in 'New Products' started by klrwhizkid, Oct 26, 2018.

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  1. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    AAAHHH, Dont you miss the days when all we had were the wide body Athearn Geep 9's? Too many mods needed to even make that worth it for a few, much less a fleet. Then Front Range came out with the scale width hood, undec of course, no SL-SF GP7 decals even, not to mention QA&P, still have and enjoy my Front range Geeps. Atlas had a great GP7 too, a few more vendors came out with close to correct hoods, still no B/Y Frisco hoods. Lets not forget the AHM Geep.
    Fast FWD, a few years ago we got accurate Frisco hood units. Genesis SL-SF F units and so on.
    Today, we have accurate, very highly detailed, even number specific details to boot units with DCC and sound. I mean, it could be worse. Can we stop and appreciate what we as Frisco modelers have had available in just the last say 10 years or less RTR/Genesis.
    I agree these GP7's units look in, as delivered paint, and thats exactly as it should be, so you can have as delivered look, its pretty easy to fade that paint with a very simple overcoat with weathering mediums, to fade, dust and rust and weather up as you wish. I mean its easy to make something look older and faded, not so easy to make faded look newer. I really appreciate all the research Athearn did on the Genesis GP7's, they look spot on to my eyes, and I very much appreciate them.
     
    gjslsffan, Nov 17, 2019
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  2. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member

    I agree 100% Tom!
     
    modeltruckshop, Nov 17, 2019
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  3. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Yes, use to most all Frisco had to be repaints and lots of extra's. Now right out of the box we have real accurate stuff.
     
    William Jackson, Nov 17, 2019
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  4. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    You got that right Bill!
    Like you say, "and they wonder why a guy has a drink"

    Thanks Steve.
     
    gjslsffan, Nov 17, 2019
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  5. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    image.jpeg Tom, having a shot now, this retired stuff is great
     
    William Jackson, Nov 18, 2019
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  6. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Tom:

    So right you are. Seein' as I didn't get one of those Athearn's at a bargain basement price, reckon I'll need to produce a Frisco hood unit the old fashioned way: Paint/decal it myself!

    William:

    Nice work on the layout.

    Andre
     
    Coonskin, Nov 18, 2019
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  7. Karl Stevenson

    Karl Stevenson Member

    Amen to that !
     
    Karl Stevenson, Nov 18, 2019
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  8. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I ordered one of these units when they were first announced, and when it arrived it ran fine and looked just fine, too. From all the comments I have read regarding whether the yellow paint was just right, I'm beginning to wonder whether it might not have been better had Athearn not brought this model out at all.

    GS
     
    gstout, Nov 18, 2019
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  9. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member

    Anybody that ever tried to convert an old wide body Athearn and do all the decal work LONG before companies offered precut sets would never complain about these.
     
    modeltruckshop, Nov 18, 2019
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  10. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member

    Layout looks great Bill!
     
    modeltruckshop, Nov 18, 2019
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  11. Karl Stevenson

    Karl Stevenson Member

    Alot of work for a supposed scale 12" too wide, thats only something around .0690 of an inch per side. Was due to the motors being used at the time, old big clunky open frame type monster motors with the rubber band, aka "hi fi" drives. I have a couple of those which are now used as dummy engines. I still have old ATSF athearn "wide hood" GP7s in service as is and dont even worry about it. I have had it mentioned to me and i just shrugged it off. Its on my layout not theirs and not being rude but if they are uncomfortable with it then just stay home and play with their trains in their "happy land".

    And oh yeah, every one of the original Athearn GP7 and F7s, A or B's all had steam generator details on roof. There is another one for the nitpickers. Shave details off, sand and try to repaint. No thanks.

    Just enjoy it for what it is. It doesnt have to be perfect. Its not the real world. There is always going to be something that just isnt right or doesnt fit but C'est le vie !

    Like the cover of Model Railroader use to say " Model railroading is fun" , so why take the fun out of it and make yourself miserable over something minor and trivial. I am sure John Allens G & D wasnt 100% pure and perfect and he did fun things with it.

    I dont mind if some of my collection of 14 Athearn Hustlers can do a scale 400 mph. It was awesome when i was 10 and still is. I believe it was Admiral Farragut who once said "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" , well Woo hoo, clear the tracks, coming thru !

    hustler1.jpg

    UP original below from my youth. Some retain original style horn hook couplers.

    hustler2.jpg

    Its all good !!!
     
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    Karl Stevenson, Nov 18, 2019
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  12. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Fortunately, they did.

    Just a word to the wise;

    Let everyone remember that we should be thankful that we are getting FRISCO models.

    Please remember that colors are not precise, especially in the prototype world; they fade as exposed to sun and the recorded images on film are subject to lighting based on weather, time of day, type of film and the film's color balance stability over time. The only true arbiter of color accuracy would be to have the actual paint manufacturer's formula and painted samples.
     
    klrwhizkid, Nov 19, 2019
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  13. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    There is also this: Even if you don't like the color Athearn/Genesis applied and decide to paint and decal an "undec" model, that only means you are now at the mercy of the decal manufacturer and whatever shade of yellow he ends up using.

    GS
     
    gstout, Nov 19, 2019
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  14. geep07

    geep07 Member

    2 GP 7 left to right are Proto 2K painted and lettered with Oddball decals and weathered. The last is Athearn Genesis out of the box.
    I would have to say that the Genesis model is closer shade of Yellow/Gold to all of the photos that I have compared to.

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  15. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Thanks for showing us the difference John. That Genesis sure looks like the right color to me. Those sun shades look great too. How did they make them?
     
    gjslsffan, Nov 19, 2019
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  16. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Keith, Karl, Greg, Tom, and others, good points.

    John aka geep07:

    Thanks for that comparison pic. As SOON as I saw the 506 and 626 I knew by the lemon yellow that they were lettered/striped with all we had at the time: Oddballs Decals. That comparison photo really points out to me how the Genesis more resembles what I see in the color photos from the 50s of Frisco Geeps. Anxious to see a Genesis first hand this coming Thursday.

    Andre
     
    Coonskin, Nov 19, 2019
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  17. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    And here's a photo that just might help all of us. Apparently, GP7 572 has been partially re-striped. Note there is a DISTINCT difference in the newer stripes and what appears to be the older stripes.

    GP7-572_SpringfieldMO_July1965.jpg
    Hope this helps to muddy the waters some more! :ROFLMAO:

    Andre
     
    Coonskin, Nov 19, 2019
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  18. geep07

    geep07 Member

    This photo is a perfect example that Keith Robinson describes how paint fades and discoloration happens over time in his last paragraph.
    Look to the right of this photo appears to be an F unit. The stripes and the letter F is a drastic change.

    John
     
    geep07, Nov 19, 2019
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  19. geep07

    geep07 Member

    I don't know how they made them, but if they would offer them for a replacement part I would most definitely purchase them to replace on all my GP's and F's.
    Perhaps someone in our Forum can persuade Athearn to do that.:rolleyes:

    John
     
    geep07, Nov 19, 2019
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  20. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The sunshades appear to be metal and attach in two holes above the windows.
     
    klrwhizkid, Nov 19, 2019
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