Stockyard and Wood Fence modeling question

Discussion in 'General' started by skyraider, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Thans, Chris. The really useful portion of that is the eyebolt arrangement. I'm scratching my head trying how to create something like it.

    Thanks!!!

    Paul
     
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  2. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Now that PSC has been purchased, I wonder what is still available. I've heard that the new owner is primarily interested in new brass model projects, not in stocking parts. We'll see how that pans out, and I'll log off of here and search for PSC hinges.

    Thanks,

    Paul Moore
     
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  3. skyraider

    skyraider Member


    After 20 + minutes on ebay looking at HO hinges and stock pen hinges, the hinges in the Stock Pen Std Plan October 1913 are definitely the preferred hinges for stock pens. Barns often used strap hinges, but not stock pens. Even modern cattle fencing with wood posts and metal gates use a version of the hinge pictured in the plan you supply the link to. It's basically an "L" shaped bolt that screws into the post the gate pivots on. The gate portion of the hinge is a modified,strap hinge with cylindrical portion that drops onto the vertical portion of the L shaped screw. Pretty poor description, but look at the plan and you'll see it.

    Over the next few days I'm going to think of a way to fabricate this. Better yet, a very good friend who I used to race bicycles with is a jeweler who now spends his off time building flying model gliders. I'll bet he can come up with something!

    Paul
     
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  4. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Today I discovered something else helpful using Photoshop and the computer. My first side of the stock pen is 50' long, including the gate. The post spacing on the plans is 6' on center, and comes up just short of being the exact length needed for seven posts (six spans of fencing) to the gate. Instead of adding an eighth post 20 scale inches over, I scanned the plans into Photoshop. I turned off the constrain proportion, and stretched the plans the appropriate amount. It worked perfectly. the fence height and board separation remained the proper distances, but now seven posts will take me exactly to the gate.
    first fence length.JPG
    Paul
     
  5. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Excellent use of technology to aid in accurate modeling!
     
  6. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Paul, Excellent work!!! I'm following your thread instructions when I build my stock yard, going to scratchbuild it sometime in the near future. Also follow your layout build thread. What kind of wood does your kit have?

    Joe
     
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  7. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Hi Joe,

    It's the Campbell kit named Stock Pens with Two Chutes. They claim that the wood is sugar pine. It was pretty hard to stain, and I'm not real happy with the color the stain came out. In the attached photos of the first fence section on the layout, it looks painted. Oh well...Due to how fragile the thing is, it will be difficult to dry brush it and weather it, but I may try.

    Pau
     

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  8. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Paul, you may want to enlist Steve (modeltruckshop) for weathering tips. He is probably the most perlific weather guy on this website. Tom Holly would be another opportunity to get tips.

    Joe
     
  9. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    Having seen photos of some of his stuff, I would agree.

    Thanks,

    Paul
     
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  10. dalebaker

    dalebaker Member

    I have a question for you guys, by what year had the journal boxes on trucks been replaced by roller bearings? I picked up a Robin kit of a SF PS 1 box car and it has journal boxes on the trucks.
     
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  11. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    I Googled it and it looks like 1940, right before WW2.

    Joe
     
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  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    When the Pullman Standard PS-1 boxcars first appeared on the Frisco .... late 1948 .... they rode on the Frisco's favorite truck, the ASF A-3 "Ride Control" truck, which were equipped with standard axle bearings (incorrectly known as "friction" bearings). Roller bearings did not appear as standard equipment until roughly a decade or so later on new cars, followed by replacement on selected existing cars during shoppings.
    K
     
  13. dalebaker

    dalebaker Member

    So if I model the car in about late 1970’s usage, roller bearing trucks would be correct. I can do that.

    Thank you all for the information!
     
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  14. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul .. great idea using the computer to "redraw" the spacing, but I am gonna throw you a curve now.
    The 6 foot on center meant that a 12 foot board would traverse two posts.
    I am wondering if, when these pens were built, they only had 12 foot lengths of boards to work with - hense the "odd" spacing and the shortened section.
    Now, I'm certainly NOT going to bring a scale rule and check your spacing on the layout, but am just throwing out a premise?
    BTW - I like the color and it looks good on the terrian, but I also know what you mean by the weathering.
    As Tom would say, "Carry on Sir!"
     
  15. Hey Paul, is that section mounted in your layout or just sitting there? I agree with Sherrel the color looks good. But to weather it I would try a soft long bristled brush with pastels. Grind them up first into a pile of powder so you can be as light with the touch. Using a dark powder at the bottom and a lighter at the top. If its not mounted on the layout you could airbrush it very lightly if you have one. Even as simple as a dark wash could be done without breaking anything I think.

    A little bit of ground foam or some weeds at the bottom of the posts would be appropriate. Or even a few weeds. For weeds I but thos super cheap throw away paint brushes and cut the bristles off for the length I need and stick them with a dab of glue.

    Good luck, it looks great so far.
     
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  16. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    An airbrush could be your friend when weathering complicated assemblies like your fencing. A final earth tone dusting would blend it in with the surroundings. I’m sure you’ll have great results regardless.
     
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  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Yes, you are correct. In the late 1970's, roller bearing trucks were starting to be seen frequently, particularly on freight equipment. But, standard bearings were still more common on the existing fleet, though some shoppings were indeed showing up riding on r/b trucks.
    K
     
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  18. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    The fence section isn't attached yet--just sitting there. There will be lots of weeds, etc. The cheap brush bristle idea is great!!! Paint them a super light green, and they'd look like Yucca, which we have in abundance (even some at my house).

    After looking at the photos again that I uploaded, the color of the fence was WAY off. My wife's point and shoot and I don't get along well. It color shifts everything badly, and I can't figure out how to adjust the white balance. My old digital SLR takes great photos, but it won't talk to my new Windows 10 computer (my XP computer died last November).

    It's not so much the color as the lack of variety that bothers me. A wood fence wouldn't weather to a consistent color. There would be variations. I may slightly hit a few boards with dilute gray; a few with dark brown, and see how it looks after that.

    Anyway, after playing with some photos, the color is closer in these pictures taken with the cell phone and the earlier photos taken of just the gates.

    Let me know what you think.

    Paul gates first two.JPG IMG_20180930_101009_552.jpg IMG_20180930_101018_521.jpg
     
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  19. skyraider

    skyraider Member

    First attempt at weathering the fence. It needs some work, but at least every board isn't identical. It needs some lighter color now. IMG_4284 copy.jpg IMG_4286 copy.jpg

    Paul
     
  20. I like it Paul. Great work
     

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