Don't Fear Resin or Building a Westerfield Sawtooth Boxcar

Discussion in 'Boxcars' started by Jim James, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    LOL...Jim, Jim, Jim....

    Don't use tap water. The minerals in the water will impede the decal's movement for positioning and they will create little bubbles. Minerals don't always dissolve. Distilled water is only on average .80/gal so next time you are at the grocery store, pick up a few jugs for your modeling.

    You are playing with fire when you allow the decal to float off the paper. The chances of it folding or tearing are immense. Let it soak until you can gently slide, then use the paper as a guide as you "lay" the decal on the target. Also be careful with using the solvaset, prior to positioning the decal, as the solution will soften the decal and it will tear and roll very easily. You also have limited yourself too strict to position the decal.

    I'm only trying to help you Jim. Decaling is an art. It can make or break your model. I know you are in a hurry, but take your time and do it right. Don't be in such a hurry. You'll thank me in the long run. Good habits are hard to make. Bad habits take nothing and are hard to break!

    Manny
     
  2. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Manny, I'm just a rebel. I've been sloppy modeling for 40 years and by golly I still dig my results, tap water and all. Anyhoos, here's a better pic of the decal job. That decal solution is already snugging things down quite nicely. Once they are faded and weathered the difference will be amazing. Next will be the final installment of this saga. Oh the joy of quick and dirty modeling.
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  3. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Jim, if this is sloppy modeling, I can't wait to see your "A" game. Excellent work. I've also picked up a few tips along the way.

    Best Regards,
     
  4. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Thanks, Chris. I guess by "sloppy modeling" I mean that I don't usually follow the accepted methods that are considered the industry standard. I like to experiment with different materials and techniques and buck the system on a whim. In Manny's defense he is absolutely correct about the proper techniques he's mentioned. I'm just not very proper:) Please refer to my disclaimers in previous posts. I certainly am not a certified Master Modeler.
     
  5. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Aw, Jim, I'm not trying to be a breaker. I always enjoy your building threads. If we don't share techniques and tips, then no one ever learns. I approach everything, unless it is a dire emergency (life and death) as an opportunity to share information. I don't tell folks what to do. I tell them what I have learned, and experienced, and they choose what they want to do. If Speedy is your thing. Go for it. You and you alone have to be happy with your work. You are a very good modeler and have great potential to reach being one of the greats.

    Tip: I noticed on the box car that the St. L & S F is crooked. Use the scribed sheathing lines as a guide. Works every time. You may be able to fix it, if you haven't oversprayed it yet. Flood the decal with water and see if it will let go. If so, you can reposition and then solvaset again.

    Again, very nice job.
     
  6. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I find that our modeling techniques probably mirror each other, Jim. I have a bad habit of trying something out to see if it will work, especially if I have it on hand.

    To wit: the mastic(?) that one uses to affix ceramic tile to the wall can also be used for concrete roadways. It's not the best material but I had it on hand and with concrete coloring and expansion joints carved in, it's good enough.

    I also do appreciate good feedback of the kind that Manny provides. I remember having a similar conversation with Rick McClellan a few years back: feedback provided or suggestions given is not a criticism but an attempt to make us better modelers and better craftsmen (Rick, are you out there? Haven't seen you on the board in a while).

    Regardless, your modeling efforts are moving at a much faster clip than mine!

    Best Regards,
     
  7. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    You guys are indeed awesome. That's what makes this forum the best of the best. I'm not thin skinned, just set in my ways. For example, Manny is a professional grade model builder and my hats off to you. I may get a decal slightly askew but that just goes with territory for my style of creativity. Like a good painting. Looks great from a proper viewing distance but look up close and the illusion fades quickly. This whole Zalma Branch project is just a time machine to transport me back to the past. I'm just going for the overall illusion instead of clinical sterility and exactness. I have to make time for my other hobbies: reloading and shooting black powder rifle cartridges, flintlock rifle building and shooting, Jeeping, hiking, gardening and pen and ink drawing. That's why I model like there's no tomorrow during the winter. These build threads reflect my particular style of railroad modeling. Not to be taken as how to articles for those looking to build prize winning first rate models. I would happily recommend Manny's work for those folks. He is very accurate and skilled. That's why I include my disclaimers. I know what level I'm on and I'm comfortable with that. Stay tuned later for the final installment on my resin kit build. Hang in there with me.
     
  8. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    I'm behind you 100% Jim. You are a top rate guy and your modeling is privilege and wonder to be a part of. Keep up the great work! Thanks for the kudos. I've learned from everyone else. I try but still struggle with the "hurries".
     
  9. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Dang, Manny, you busted my balloon. I thought the decal was purposely placed that way.
    Jim, a few more stress marks would make it look better for me.

    Both of you are the reason I look at the site several times each day .. Keep it up.
     
  10. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    The camera is very good at pointing out imperfections. I should have photographed the other side.
     
  11. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    You were either too "Tanked" up, or the sausage got the best of you and you had to clear out fast...Or maybe both!
     
  12. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Sounds like a good enough excuse, Manny. Surely it wasn't my janky modeling skills:)
    As promised, I'll pretty much wrap this project up. I'll get right to it. You can see in the first photos that I added some white paint under the lettering to represent some weathering effects. It will tone down greatly in the blending and weathering stage. Also I taped the door in the closed position for the weathering process so that it will look more realistic when opened later.
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    Again I taped a stick inside the body for a handle and then airbrushed a light mist of boxcar red over the decals until I got the faded effect I was looking for. Be careful! If I was modeling a newer car I would have barely misted it but I'm going for an old, tired car that is pretty much relegated to branch line use, mainly tie hauling in this case. After blending the decals I airbrushed earth color paint along the bottom to represent the effects of the dusty earthen road bed. Most of the metal was painted burnt umber with raw sienna and rust colored chalk dust was brushed on to make this old girl look pretty tired. Finally I added the detailed floor showing the rough planked floor boards and some ties scattered about.
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  13. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Ok. Here's a quicky.
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  14. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    LOL...That's one brave soul to be carrying a rail tie over his shoulder and walking up an unsecured wooden plank. Sure he didn't get into some of that Tank No.7 and sausage of yours? Very nice Jim. You certainly have a knack for scenes. You have encouraged me to try a resin kit.
     
  15. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Yes it does look crazy dangerous but I actually saw this being done in two different old photos. Glad to hear you might be encouraged to try a resin kit. Thanks. Makes this thread worth it after all. The ale is optional of course.
     
  16. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Jim -
    What technique did you use for the rust dripping down from the top of the door? Drybrushing? Airbrushing?

    That's also the type of scene that gives underwriters the heebie jeebies.

    Best Regards,
     
  17. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Iron men and wooden boxcars! The rust is fun to add. I have a rust colored piece of chalk that I rub over sandpaper to form a pile of rust powder. Then I use a very small paint brush to dab and drag it in strategic places. This works best on a flat, dull surface with tooth. It doesn't cling well to glossy surfaces. You can remove it with a brush and water if it doesn't go well. Dull coat tends to reduce the effect a bit so I put it on a bit heavy so that it shows up better after the final Dull Coat application.
     
  18. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I'll have to admit, when I first saw the white paint under the lettering, I thought - well, lets just say, holy carp, this isn't going to end well. I was dead wrong! Ya done good sir!
     
  19. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Jim, the project turned out very nice. I am just starting to build kits again, i like the tips, so thanks for putting them on site.
    William Jackson
     
  20. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    The idea of the paint under the letters showing wear is an excellent idea. Jim, practice a little using dry brush streaking rather than just blobs of white. Remember, everything here will be under the force of gravity. That means everything runs down, not across. Remember too, that since the roof is metal or has metal ribs, that it will rust so rusty water will start to dribble down the car as well. Since you have an outside braced box car, rust will start at the weakest points, which are the rivets, and will dribble from there. Don't go crazy. A little is a lot! Use a small pointed paint brush and work dry brushing strips down from the letter. Make sure the brush is in contact with the letter, as you would not see any separations.

    Also, keep in mind the age of the car. You are modeling 1915 and those sawtooth cars were first built in 1912. Being at three years old, that car would be in its aging stage, and not full blown weathered like a 10 year car would be. Mud and dust would be in-between the trucks on the car. Ends would be little, until a long period of time passes. The real weathering is on the ends where you would have two swaths of mud, dirt, grime, oil, and dust up the end of the cars, as the wheels would kick that up. No mud flaps on rail cars.

    Bottom line is, weathering is as one sees fit. Just don't over-due it. Your weathering should match where your layout is, with a few exceptions for cars that have come across systems. Since you are in the swamps, not only would mud and dirt be there, but don't forget a little green mold or moss.

    Great work as always Jim. Keep railroadin'.

    Manny
     

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