Looking for any additional information on, and pictures of, the Frisco's 506-515 series of Ten Wheelers. What I have so far: Original No's: 146-155 Built: 1893 Erecting Shops: Pittsburg Original RR: KCFS&M Cylinder Size: 19x26 Boiler Pressure: 160 Tractive Effort: 22400 Weight: 198100 Does anyone have any drawings of this class? I am hoping to construct a V scale model of this class of Frisco Ten Wheeler. Thank you very much for any input. Andre Ming
I am sure Karl has this as well, but I do have a diagram of the 4-6-0s SLSF 506-515 from the 1904 Frisco locomotive diagram book. I will scan one and post it later today when I have a moment. Ken
Here is the diagram for locomotives 4-6-0 SLSF 506-515. It is from the 1904 Frisco locomotive diagram book. Ken
Thank you! That may be enough to get started once I get my new CAD program up and going. Karl, If you have a different one than Ken shared, I am in for it too! Ken, If you have more of these, would you be willing to share at a later date? I need to determine what typical classes operated in my area. Assuming you have a match for said engines. The turn of the century 19 era can often be a tough era to find good data concerning. Drawings such as these will help a lot. Andre Ming
Andre, Glad to be of help! I have the entire 1904 Frisco diagram book. I believe Karl and Don also have it. If you have other numbers, just ask. Within reason, we will get them posted. I also have a Frisco June, 1904 locomotive roster listing each engine number with data. It is big! I don't think there is much on this listing that is not on the diagram, but I will find the page for the 4-6-0 SLSF 506-515 and post it as well just to be sure. Also, your old GP7s run well with the newer Atlas units! Ken
Andre, Here is the roster sheet for 4-6-0 SLSF 506-515. It does not show much more than the diagram. Note 58 reads: "Tender Capacity 7 tons coal, 3500 gals water, were KCFS&M." Ken
Thanks for the roster sheet, Ken! Did you notice the roster sheet data is at variance with the drawing? To wit: On the drawing the tender capacity is listed as 7 tons of coal and 3500 gals of water. Weird. I note the tractive effort is not listed on the sheet either. That is a very important specification when creating a V-scale engine, for you want the V-scale model to pull what the prototype did. Fortunately, the tractive effort specification was listed on the roster I used for my original post. Amazing how sometimes finding an answer raises more questions! For sure, though, thanks to the efforts above, I already have a lot more information than when I first posted my plea! Andre
Andre, Well, the main problem here is that I am a totally incompetent typist! Note 58 really reads: "Tender Capacity 7 tons coal, 3500 gals water, were KCFS&M". What I gave you above was Note 59. I will fix it. Sorry about that! Ken
Yep, I have seen that one. Though it has been heavily modernized, it still helps with proportions, etc.. I had forgotten about it, so thanks for the heads-up. The picture of 4-6-0 SLSF 446 on the same page is also a nice looking Ten Wheeler. Aside from the new compressor, turbo, and possibly the stack, probably looks about like it would have in my 1905-1908 era. My target era is a toughie, possibly the worst of the lot in eras. Very small range of years with lots of transition taking place. Modern Steam freaks have it the best. More photographs and data available. For the 19th Century guys, seems there are builder's photographs and other builder's type data available. Though not heavy in general pictures, at least not that I have unearthed in my searches. I would model the link and pin 1890s in a heartbeat, but I would lose so much operating potential on account of the Midland Valley, Arkansas Central, and Fort Smith & Western were not up and running yet. You have to love this researching stuff. Very fun. EDIT: Oops. Corrections: The Arkansas Central was chartered and began construction in 1897. The Fort Smith & Western began construction in 1899. Still though, modeling the early 1890s would give up some interchange at distant points, as well as in Fort Smith, AR. Tempting, though. Andre
Andre, Attached is a drawing of a similar Vandalia Line ten wheeler. The dimensions are missing, but you can scale the engine from the wheel base dimension listed in the text. Also attached is a photograph of 4-6-0 SLSF 487, 487 shot in Monett, MO in 1912. This is from the 4-6-0 SLSF 487 to 490 class. Diagrams show 63" driver diameter instead of 57" and a slightly different wheel base. Frisco had modified the wood cab, added a generator and possibly other changes by 1912. John Sanders
Hi John: Thanks for the picture and drawing. I now have them saved to my SLSF steam, 1900s folder! Andre
Andre, I know that you are looking for turn of the century information, but this "modern" diagram may provide you with more dimensional data. Turn-of-the-century rosters imply that ten-wheelers with 57" drivers and less were classified as freight locomotives. Locomotives with 63'+ drivers were considered passenger locomotives. The distinction was not hard and fast. 506, nee KCFSM 146, retired September 1928 507, nee KCFSM 147, retired January 1939 508, nee KCFSM 148, retired June 1928 509, nee KCFSM 149, retired May 1935 510, nee KCFSM 150, retired October 1937 511, nee KCFSM 151, retired September 1930 512, nee KCFSM 152, retired April 1936 513, nee KCFSM 153, retired November 1925 514, nee KCFSM 154, retired April 1936 515, nee KCFSM 155, retired December 1933 Air Pump Exceptions: 1) SLSF 507-508 - New York #6. 2) SLSF 509, 514 - Westinghouse, 9-1/2".
Andre, Here are a couple of pictures I found in my collection of Frisco photographs from the late Arthur B. Johnson, Frisco photographer extraordinaire: 4-6-0 SLSF 509, Springfield, MO, August 1929. 4-6-0 SLSF 514, no location or date noted. SLSF 514 looks like it has a different cab than SLSF 509. Hope these are of help. Ken
Thanks Ken! Those picyures will help, too. Looks like these may have come with spoke pilot wheels, and were later retrofitted with disk? Note the rear pilot wheels on 4-6-0 SLSF 509. My picture of them I posted in my original post does not show much about these engines. So the drawings and photographs from later in their life is about all I will have to go on. Andre
