Springfield Yard - Operations Information Inquiry

Discussion in 'General' started by Rick McClellan, Jan 2, 2010.

  1. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    As the expansion to Springfield takes place, it's nice to take a break and do some railroad reading including the Trains article "SY 03-08-80" from the January 1981 issue. While I plan on condensing the track diagram on pgs 24-25, I need some info from you guys in the know.

    1. I am guessing that through trains working in SY (like TYKC, 30) were worked from tracks L1N and L1S, correct?

    2. Bowl tracks had assignments. What track went to which destinations?

    3. Where did west/north bound trains stop for their crew change? On the east side of the Long North tracks or the west? Either way they would need a limo ride to the yard office.

    4. Did the MP interchange with the Frisco at Springfield? If so, did it interchange cars at SY or the South Yard?

    5. Was the 03-08-80 train log typical of the late 1970s for SY activity? I am modeling 1975-78 and want to use this as my train line up unless better info is available.

    6. What was the typical train length for coal movements to the James River Power Plant?

    Thanks in advance for your help.
     
  2. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    I think Charlie Dischinger's article in FMIG LINES 104 covered most of your questions.

    He'd be the one to ask via direct e mail. Ron Williams is also modeling that yard?

    BTW, where did Jan Jester's model of the Newburg depot end up?
     
  3. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

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  4. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    The article you referred to is also called 24 hours on the Frisco?

    I have been looking for what I thought was that article and can't find it
     
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  5. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    Howard,

    I believe the "24 Hours on the Frisco" was the subtitle to the name of the article "03-08-80" January 1981 Trains Magazine if you are hunting. It has a set of Conrail power coming at you on the cover.

    Doug,

    The Newburg depot is safely displayed in my crew lounge until I get the line to St Louis in.

    As of this date all I can say is we have completed the benchwork for the permanent Tulsa staging, located under Lamar MO. I want to run a few sessions with the Tulsa staging open so I can see how the 4-5% grade affects the operation.

    Looks like a few more weeks until we can get to Springfield.
     
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  6. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    With the help of a few sly undercover agents, I have obtained a photo of Rick's planned Dispatcher Office.

    This will be built in a bunker twenty feet below the main layout.
     

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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Need to have some peanut butter available down in that bunker!

    Ken
     
  8. rcmck

    rcmck Member Frisco.org Supporter

    And if infants are allowed down there, and somone accidently spilled some peanut butter, you'd have:

    Bunker peanut butter on the rubber-baby-buggy-bumper, in Rick's bunker?

    :)

    Oh, what if the floor wasn't smooth?

    Then, you'd have:

    Bunker peanut butter on the rubber-baby-buggy-bumper, in Rick's bumpy bunker?

    :D

    Say it fast several times!
     
  9. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year


    Thanks for the reminder on this info Doug.

    It answers several of my questions especially the Springfield bowl track assignments.
     
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  10. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    I thought of something for pulling power on that grade.

    I bet about 5 or 6 SD45's will pull a train up that grade.

    While Frisco never put that many together at a time, I think I would get the job done.

    It would work better than my Mike trying to pull 25 cars out of Tulsa by it's self. ;) :D :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    Now that we have operated the Springfield Yard (SY) for a few sessions, I have even more questions.

    1. What were the stockyard tracks used for in the late 1970s?

    I believe the stockyard went away as a customer but do not know when that happened. I the early 80s I remember seeing SLSF units (in green) stored there.

    2. How often did the North Yard crew shuttle cars to SY?

    I know traffic would have dictated a lot of this but thought there might be a schedule.

    3. Did the North Yard crew switch all along Commercial St. or was there another "Zone" crew that spotted and picked up cars?

    Did the North Yard crew use a caboose?

    I never saw one but I wasn't there all the time. If they used a caboose, was it a transfer type in the 1970s?

    Late 1940s?

    Did the Zone crews use a caboose?

    If so what type?

    4. Did the Mainline Dispatcher route trains in and out of SY or did the Yard Master control trains arriving and departing?

    I know this is kind of basic but I want to be sure.

    5. How long did the reefer icing function last and how long were the icing platforms in place?

    6. Was there any storage of road cabooses on the west end of the yard?

    I only know about the track on the NE end of the bowl.

    7. When did the concrete TOFC ramps go in at the North Yard?

    When were the TOFC tracks installed?

    If they had been there a long time, what was their previous use?

    I have seen old photos of an old flat car ramp that looked like North Yard.

    8. Where were automobiles unloaded in Springfield in the 1970s?

    At SY?

    Can't seem to find a track chart with auto unloading on it.

    Where were autos unloaded 1948-50?

    Assuming there was a dock somewhere for the box cars?

    9. Where were Containers on a Flat Car (COFC) unloaded in Springfield in the late 1970s?

    How were they unloaded?

    Front end loader/lift truck?

    Elves?

    Springfield has created a lot of questions.

    Thanks for the help.
     
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  12. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I can answer one of the questions

    When a train approached Springfield it would call the yardmaster on the radio with it's location. "QLA at Glenstone Avenue" etc. The yardmaster would tell them to hold at such and such a location and a little later tell them which track to come in on.

    If the yard was ready and not busy, no other engines or trains blocking, the yardmaster would tell them which track immediately and they wouldn't have to hold back. Sometimes though if they were really busy, the yardmaster would have the trains hold several miles outside of town.

    I haven't listened too much to my scanner lately, but I believe it's still done this way today on the BNSF.

    Tom
     
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  13. bob_wintle

    bob_wintle Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Rick

    I remember seeing cars being stored on tracks behind the stockyards in the late late seventies.

    They appeared to be cars awaiting repairs or to be scrapped.

    After the merger all I remember being on them was locomotives.
     
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  14. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    Thanks for your replies Tom and Bob.

    Keep them coming.

    Springfield is coming alive !
     
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  15. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Rick:

    I work with a fellow that started with the Frisco in '71 here at Fort Smith, AR, working at various locations/subs.

    He stayed through the BN years, and now the A&M years. He is retiring next year. I know he worked Springfield Yard, for it has come up in our tall tales we spin at times. He may have worked SY some during the Frisco years, but I know he worked it quite a bit during the early BN years.

    Rather than trying to hit him with all the above list, what would be couple of questions that you deem most important, and I'll see if I can remember to ask him about it.

    Andre
     
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  16. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year


    Thanks Andre,

    The information I want most is how the North Yard operated and how it interacted with SY.

    Thanks.
     
  17. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

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  18. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Well Rick, you're already over my head. Doesn't take much.

    North Yard and SY?

    Did Springfield Yard also have a separate yard referred to as North Yard?

    In Fort Smith we have a North Yard and a South Yard.

    FWIW: As we shot the bull today, I asked about the SY jobs working outlying industries or adjacent industries. He said if you worked a "bowl job", classifying cars in the main classification yard, you only worked in the bowl.

    The outlying industries were switched by different jobs. However, I now see I don't have a good grasp of what you're asking. North Yard job interacting with SY, so until I do, I won't be able to ask "smart" questions, only ignorant ones.

    Is there a map of the Springfield region posted here/somewhere that I can view to become more familiar with the area?

    Andre
     
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  19. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The Springfield yards were:

    The "South Yard" near the passenger station,

    The "North Yard" where the Jefferson Avenue foot bridge is and where the former Frisco Museum was.

    "Springfield Yard" or SY, sometimes referred to as the "Kansas Yard" or "Kansas Avenue Yard" is the main large yard where the shops are, under the Kansas Avenue overpass.

    There used to be an approach signal for westbound trains toward the eastern end of the "North Yard" which had signs under its lights that read "North Yard" and "Kansas Yard". I supposed it was lit for where the yardmaster wished the train to go.

    The North Yard was the old original Frisco yard on the St. Louis-Oklahoma line. The South yard was the "Memphis Road" yard, the old Kansas City, Ft. Scott and Gulf, etc.). "SY" was the new yard constructed in the diesel era along side the shops.

    Tom
     
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  20. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The Kansas Ave Yard was also known as "West Yard" or "West Springfield".

    Paul
     

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