Wheels Of Time Baggage Cars

Hi All,

Wheels Of Time has announced a second run of their Harriman style baggage cars.
On the wheels of time website, the info includes road names, which does include Frisco:
http://www.wheelsotime.com/promo.php

Feather River Trains is reporting that two Frisco car numbers will be available as individual cars numbered 362 and 363.

The first run cars had 2 identical doors on each side of the car. The equipment diagrams for 362 and 363 show a 5ft door and a 7ft door on each side. Other than that minor discrepancy, I believe the cars are fairly close to the two Frisco prototype cars.

Paul

 

The photos on the website show Harriman cars with 4-wheel trucks-- not at all similar to anything that the Frisco, as far as I know, ever had.

Gordon

 

I don't know what length the WOT cars are, but Frisco 360 and 362 were 70' and 66' inside length cars, respectively; they both had two different size doors on each side of the car; 360 had "garland" style roof vents and both (360 & 362) rode on six-wheel trucks.
The "general" shape of the Harriman roof would be about the only plus if you were going to try to "Frisco-ize" the WOT cars. Their earlier 70' ACL baggage car release might be a better car to re-detail to a Frisco. The Frisco didn't have any 60' baggage cars with arch (round, Turtle-back etc.) roofs.

Tom

 

The trucks are easy enough to fix. WOT has actually produced these cars with both 2 axle and 3 axle trucks on them.
You can see the first run cars here: http://www.wheelsotime.com/products.php?category=headend

The WOT cars are Harriman cars, so they aren't perfect, but they make fairly good stand ins for cars 362 and 363.

Paul

 

Tom,

The cars are actually 362 and 363, which are both identical cars on 6 wheel trucks.
I'll contact Matt Young at WOT to see about the trucks. In the first run, some cars came with 4 wheel trucks and others came with 6 wheel trucks.

The WOT cars are about the right length for cars 362 and 363 cars (roughly 70' outside length over the buffers).

As I mentioned before, other than the doors, these are pretty close to cars 362 and 363 (they aren't perfect, but they will make good standins). I had actually purchased some from the first run to use as Frisco cars, and 362 and 363 were the best matching round roof cars to the WOT models. The overall dimensions are close to the floor plan dimensions. I'll pull one out later and get the actual measurements.

(see the floor diagrams Doug Hughes posted... http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=2167 (these two cars are in file C)).

Actually, the 70' cars have a problem that requires the need to rebuild one side of the car. All of the Frisco's 2 door baggage cars with two different door sizes have the smaller (usually 5ft) door opposite a small door and the larger (usually 7ft) door across from a large door. The 70' WOT cars have a large door opposite a small door, so it will take major surgery to correct.

Paul

 

Paul--Keep us posted as to what the release number and the date for the WOT cars with six-wheel trucks will be.

Thanks, Tom

 

I should have checked my notes a little better....

Here are the dimensions from the WOT cars:
Length over the body is 60'9"
Length over the end sills 62'
Length over the diaphragms 64'
Truck center spacing 44'

So that makes the WOT cars about 6' short over the body for cars 362 and 363, which IMO is good enough for a stand in, but not good enough for an accurate model

Incidentally, the closest Frisco car to the WOT models is #322. Dimensionally, the WOT cars are almost spot on, but you do have to change out the roof with a monitor roof, and you need to add truss rods.

Paul

 

Here are the specs of the Frisco baggage cars 362 and 363 which the Wheels Of Time cars are supposed to represent:
--Built by AC & F in 1910, remodeled by the Frisco with "turtle-back" roofs in 1938.
--The Frisco data sheets showing mail carrying capacities list them as 66' cars.
--Length over buffers: 70' 10 3/4"
--Length over end sills: 66' 9"
--Inside length: 65' 10 7/8"
--Each side of the car had one 8 foot wide and one 5 foot wide door. The two eight foot doors were at the same end of the car, across from each other (Ditto the two five foot doors were opposite each other). The door openings were approximately 17' from the car ends. The doors were about 19' apart (17'+8'+19'+5'+17'=66').
--In 1959 #362 was assigned to trains 107-108 and #363 was assigned to trains 9-309-10-310.
--In 1961 #362 was still on trains 107-108 and #363 was extra at Oklahoma City.
--In 1965 both cars were assigned to trains 107-108.

 

The drawings posted of the cars show 3 axle trucks, so you won't even need to do that.

These aren't on the WOT website at the moment, but they are shown on dealer sites.

Paul

 

Tom,

The drawings I have show (which are the same drawings Doug posted in the thread I linked to in a previous message) show the cars have a 65' inside length and a 66'9" length over the end sills.

Where does the information about the doors being 8ft come from? I ask because the general arrangement diagrams don't have the door dimensions (or the door spacings) for these cars, and cannot be considered scale drawings.

Paul

 

From the Frisco passenger car diagram book. The drawings are 1/8" to one foot. I just measured the doors.

Tom