I found this video on youtube and when I watched it a few times, I noticed a flat car in the train with a excavator as a load. On the side of the excavater is a FRISCO coonskin herald. I thought it would be neat if someone could get a picture of this and make a decal to fit a N HO and other scale models excavator. This would be a neat addition to someones layout. the url to the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b073H6Qz18g The video was posted by dbmcg2000 on April 22, 2009. I am not sure who this person is or if he is aware of this group but the video is awesome. There is MP, FRISCO, and some MKT as well as Seaboard stuff on there. I thought it was neat and wanted to share it with you all!
I never new they used frisco F7's like that. What I mean is, I never new they would put them on inbetweeb 2 gp units. I like the look of it. I guess now I'm changing my era from c. 1975 to c. 1974. If you look closely at about 5:20 into the video there what looks like a B/Y GP35.
That's some way cool stuff ! Never seen it before. Thanks for posting. Looks to be about 1971 or so, based on the vehicles on the auto racks.
It is a man named Daryl McGee and I believe he lives in the Tulsa area. Yes it is cool stuff! Bob Hoover FriscoFriend
Neat video! Early on, the Frisco often ran with SD45-F9B-F9B-SD45 consists. Later on, in particular here in StL, they ran SD45-GP35-GP35-SD45 consists. At the very end of the video I thought I saw a b/y high-nose U25b. Ken
Great seeing more frisco in action! Wouldn't mind having a copy of this one too, but I would like to abtain it in an appropriate manner. I have received a copy of the other one posted earlier that had contrversy, but I got it apprpriately when I asked. Would like to receive this one in the same manner. Gary Wayne (grace65746)
Even earlier than that, the F-9B's were used between two U25B's, including the original high-hood ones, and between two GP-35's when they were delivered. The key was that the F-9B's had dynamic brakes and could be used in conjunction with the second-generation units in transcontinental run-through sets. And yes, I noticed the high-hood U25B in the video also. Gordon
I don't have employee timetable special instructions in front of me, so I can't quote the exact "power make up" rule. I remember a locomotive consist restriction of no more than three consecutively coupled six axle units in a consist due to bridge weight restrictions. The four axle power was spliced in between the SD-45's for this reason to "spread out" the weight. It makes sense that the f-units and GP-35's were used because of dynamic brakes before the GP38AC's showed up in the early/mid 70's. Has anyone ever seen a photo of a GP-7 coupled to an SD-45 as a powered unit in a consist? Steve Roberts
During the mid 70's in Alabama, I only saw GP7s with GP38's. Never saw a six-axle unit on the Pensacola line. Then after moving to Sherman, TX, I saw lots of SD45s, but never a GP7.
You are right John. I'm looking at the River Division time table for Sunday April 22, 1979 ( 30 years ago!!!!!!!!!!) and it says it says no more than three six axle units coupled together either working or being hanlded will be permitted without seperation by a four axle unit or car. So what better use for a F9B! This is a method for this madness! You may have to zoom in. The file is in my Mobile album
That rule may also explain why, on one summer day in 1980, I spotted an SD40-2/GP38-2/SD45 lashup on the point of the CTB in Afton. I remember seeing the SD45/F9B/SD45 lashup on trains in 1974 or so, as well as F-units on some locals tied down in Afton. Wish I had a camera back then.....sigh.....
Plus, the F9B's helped a lot in the consist. Their 1750HP added to that from the bigger units, and their dynamic braking helped as well. Good idea!, and it made for an interesting looking consist for sure. Ken
I would like to know the thoughts for Frisco's purchase of the SD45. Whatever it was I'm glad they did it
The full story is explained in detail in Marre/Harper's "Frisco Diesel Power", chapter 18. In summary, at the time (late 1960's), Frisco management was dedicated to moving the longer, heavier freights that were in practice then at increasingly higher speeds. This task was becoming a challenge for the GP35's and U-boats that made up the Frisco's high-HP fleet then. The SLSF accepted an EMD proposal for the SD45 - which delivered 3600 HP in a single C-C trucked chassis via a V-20 EMD 645 engine. The SD45 delivered on the promise - they could haul a lot of tonnage at high speeds. But, problems surfaced which dulled a bit of their glory - they were hard on the track, they were relatively high maintenance, and they were fuel hogs. When the Frisco next added more big C-C units, they chose the SD40-2 instead. But ..... those SD45's sure did look, and sound, great! Ken
Thank you for posting up that video. Albeit diesels, I truly enjoyed it. Anything Frisco is awesome! Just a question for you diesel guys: How come they are all dirty? Mismatched paint, etc.? That seems so out of character for the Frisco. I know that the late 50's and 60's were tough on railroads, but I didn't figure the Frisco to let their motive power slide like that.
Might consider the paint quality base of the period, frequency of locomotive use vs sitting long enough for a paint job. Was a different thought trend in 1950 with company approaching hard times like many others. Compare with say the curret rebirth now of Short Lines with new paint types and a locomotive is everyday part of publicity and advertisement for sales. Have to put your mind in the period and that was close to an average 60 years. Rick |-|
Late 60's or early 70's era based on the open autoracks. What's not to like? Even the jazz quartet (Hank Hirsh - A Buck And Some Change) shows the poster has taste. The trombonist can play. Doug, trumpet
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL, JUICY, & CRUSTY! - (F7B w/ grease running out of the louvers/ roof (twice even!)! These old films remind me of "Trains Of The Heartland DVD" by David Cash (available from Blair Line)! Great run byes w/ a lot of equipment exposure and operatin'! I also enjoy the jerkiness of the 8mm camera, it gives a vintage report of the times we go back to because we think "The Good Old Days! they were funner!" Even the soundtrack to this film is great! I love most of the soundtrack to "Trains Of The Heartland DVD", and other great musical listening to this kind of stuff is Neko Case. She's like a present-day Loretta Lynn! Hopefully, in the future, she'll allow some soundtrack music of her own for video with these kind of crusty old railroad films! SALUTE! LOVE IT! Thanks! -PETE
