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Frisco Proto 2K E8A Mobile Decoder Install

Discussion in 'Decoders & Programming' started by klrwhizkid, Apr 8, 2009.

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  1. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Attached are the installation instructions that I created as I installed DCC in my first run Proto 2000 Frisco E8A, Big Red. This engine was not originally configured to be DCC ready, and required a little bit of circuit tracing to determine how to make everything work.

    I hope this helps.
     

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    klrwhizkid, Apr 8, 2009
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  2. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    I purchased a DCC sound equiped E8 from Walthers and put 2016 on it. It took some shell modification on the underside of the top for it to fit but other than that it went on fairly easy so if anyone should run across a DCC sound equped chassis 2020 and 2016 will fit with some work
     
    HWB, Apr 8, 2009
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  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    HWB - I'm curious ..... where were the shell interference points? What did you do to fix it?

    How good does it sound? Does the sound system give you the impression of two 567 diesel engines per locomotive?

    I'm not into sound yet, but I'm getting tempted for a few favorite locomotives. Obviously, my SLSF E8's are on that list!

    I'll never forget how great the pair of Racehorse E-units on #9 sounded when they started up again after its station stop at Rolla. I can still hear it in my mind.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, Apr 8, 2009
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  4. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Howdy,

    Nicely done. I have seen several E8's on eBay that are the old style, but would be good for doing up in the Frisco race horses. I'll use your guide when I get one.

    Best,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Apr 8, 2009
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  5. John Markl

    John Markl Member

    No kidding. Ed and I took his older Racehorse, and tried to swap shells with a later sound equipped UP E unit, and it did not work out well at all. We removed doors and all kinds of stuff. At the point that it appeared that we were going to have to disassemble the chassis and do some milling, we gave up.:(
     
    John Markl, Apr 8, 2009
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  6. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    One picture that I did not include in my write-up shows exactly how much room is in the back end of the shell for a speaker. I have attached that picture so you can get an idea. I'm certain that there is room for the appropriate Tsunami decoder and speaker!
     

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    klrwhizkid, Apr 8, 2009
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  7. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I made a simple baffle box and mounted it with the speaker to the roof of the shell over the gear tower, it worked great. ~mike
     
    friscomike, Apr 8, 2009
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  8. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    here are some pics of the trimming i had to perform. I had to remove the hinges fron the shell and then glued clear buytl plastic to the shell. I used clear so it would not be visible bhind the gap between shell and door, Then I glued the doors to the clear plastic. Next I trimmed the plastic around the vent flush with the shell. The shell then fit like a glove on the sound chassis.
    As far as the quality of sound? It's ok. Your'e not going to close your eyes and get the feeling your'e standing next to the real deal but it is a 567 prime mover and the horn is the deep single tone from those days.

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    HWB, Apr 9, 2009
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  9. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Hello Folks, I made a mistake in the wiring instructions for the Proto 2000 E8/9 Decoder install. If you downloaded or printed a copy from the original post, please download the revised pdf instructions I have uploaded on the post at the beginning of this thread on 4/21/2009. I apologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused.
     
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    klrwhizkid, Apr 12, 2009
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  10. Frisco2008

    Frisco2008 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    Thanks, I have a Racehorse coming and that will be a big help.

    Glenn in Tulsa
     
    Frisco2008, Jan 14, 2010
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  11. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    FYI, I'm working on an article with pics for the next issue of The Meteor on adding SLSF details to the Frisco Proto 2000 Racehorse E8's.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, Jan 14, 2010
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  12. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    Howdy,

    Can't wait to see it; timely for me ;-)...

    Best,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Jan 17, 2010
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  13. brakeman321

    brakeman321 Member

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    thank you been trying to figure these out for some time.
    I have twenty three of the first run e8-e9 all played submarine in Katrinia.I managed to get them all running except for two that i used for parts.
    Any idea where i could get parts? Called life like the number on the paper work they don't have any thing. I need 12 drive axel gears,2 sets of gears that goes inside of trucks. thanks for any info
    brakeman
     
    brakeman321, Mar 10, 2010
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  14. Frisco2008

    Frisco2008 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    Try Walthers...they took over Life Like some time back.

    A couple of years ago I bought two e8 trucks for $20.00 each.

    Glenn, in Tulsa
     
    Frisco2008, Mar 10, 2010
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  15. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    Mike -
    The SLSF P2K HO E8 article will be in 2010 The Meteor issue #2. Send me a PM if you want a copy of the text of the article sooner.
    Ken
     
    meteor910, Mar 10, 2010
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  16. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco Proto 2K E8 Decoder Install (corrected)

    I used gears from an Athearn drive to fix a first run GP7
     
    HWB, Mar 11, 2010
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  17. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Today I received the new Soundtraxx Tsunami TSU-1000 #827118 Dual EMD 567 Decoder. I rushed home after work and to my workbench, grabbed my Frisco E8 #2020 Big Red and removed the old TSU-1000 #827101 EMD 567 decoder. I installed the new Dual 567 decoder. WOO HOO! It sounds FANTASTIC! KUDOS to the crew at Soundtraxx! My other E8 will get the same treatment. I can and will use the removed 567 decoder in a GP7 or F unit.

    Anyone that has been waiting to put sound in their E units now has even more reason to make the move.
     
    klrwhizkid, Aug 15, 2011
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  18. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    There is installation instructions for a sound decoder in Volume 1 of The Meteor also.
     
    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013), Aug 16, 2011
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  19. geep07

    geep07 Member

    Keith, would the elimination of the cicuit board and replacing it with a decoder (NCE D13SRJ), which has a mars light function work here?
     
    geep07, Oct 12, 2011
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  20. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Yes, it would, I used the same decoder as you indicate. Using the light board in the loco eliminated the need to change the bulbs. If you eliminate the light board, you must either change to 12v bulbs or determine resistor values to provide voltage drop for the existing bulbs.

    Ultimately, the D13SR was replaced with a Tsumami #827101 and then the newly released Tsunami #827118 Dual EMD 567 and the bulbs were replaced with LEDs. I now have a white headlight and dual red/white MARS light.

    The new Dual 567 Tsunami was worth the change. I custom-designed a speaker enclosure using a high bass speaker that goes in the rear where the light board was. Terry Jankowski (tmfrisco) and others can vouch for the sound quality.
     
    klrwhizkid, Oct 12, 2011
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