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Frisco Moguls
The Frisco evidently owned 86 steam locomotives with the 2-6-0 wheel arrangement over the years. Most were obtained or built for other roads before the turn of the century. They were used mostly for light-duty freight work and perhaps for switching in the later years. There were only two that could have been called modern, the two obtained in the JLC&E merger. Ed Heiss and Lee Buffington have graciously loaned the locomotive diagram books and rosters that was used to supply the prototype information below. The model measurements are the result of Nolan Null's allowing me to measure several in the stock at Pro Custom Hobby's Cattonsville store. It looks like very few classes are modelable using stock HO gauge models. Perhaps the other gauges have more. I would like to ask Bob Plough, Gale Hall or Bob Longo, and Joe Bothman to research N, S. and 0 gauge model availability, respectively.
PROTOTYPE UNITS
Last Previous Driver Road Number Built Diameter Number Number Builder Date B/N in. Disposition, if known 72 JLC&E 32 BLW 1913 39038 4,5 73 JLC&E 33 BLW 1913 39039 3,5,6 300 200 Rogers 1886 3704 56 1/2 Scrapped 1-29-15 301 201 Rogers 1886 3707 56 1/2 Scrapped 3-11-15 302 202 Rogers 1886 3711 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-26-15 303 203 Rogers 1886 712 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-27-15 304 204 BLW 1886 8230 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-17-15 305 205 BLW 1886 8231 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-23-15 306 206 BLW 1886 8233 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-19-15 307 207 BLW 1887 8777 56 1/2 Scrapped 8- 6-15 308 208 BLW 1887 8778 56 1/2 309 209 BLW 1887 8782 56 1/2 310 210 BLW 1887 8783 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-13-15 311 211 BLW 1887 8784 56 1/2 Sold 5-3.6 312 212 BLW 1887 8786 56 1/2 Sold 5-16 313 213 BLW 1887 8787 56 1/2 Scrapped 5-21-15 314 214 BLW 1887 8790 56 1/2 Sold 5-16 315 215 BLW 1887 8793 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-21-15 316 216 BLW 1887 8794 56 1/2 Sold 7-26-15 317 217 BLW 1888 9319 56 1/2 Scrapped 10-16-15 318 218 BLW 1888 9321 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-10-15 319 219 BLW 1888 9322 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-23-15 320 220 BLW 1888 9325 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-20-15 321 221 BLW 1888 9326 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-23-15 322 222 BLW 1888 9327 56 1/2 Sold 5-16 323 223 BLW 1888 9328 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-17-15 324 224 BLW 1888 9329 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 325 225 BLW 1888 9330 56 1/2 Scrapped 8-7-15 326 226 BLW 1888 9331 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 327 227 BLW 1888 9359 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 328 228 BLW 1888 9364 56 1/2 3,4 Scrapped 8-10-15 329 229 BLW 1888 9368 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 330 230 BLW 1888 9365 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 331 231 BLW 1888 9370 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-26-15 332 232 BLW 1888 9374 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-14-15 333 233 BLW 1888 9372 56 1/2 Scrapped 7-11-15 334 234 BLW 1888 9371 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 335 235 BLW 1888 9373 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 336 236 BLW 1888 9377 56 1/2 Sold 5-16 337 237 BLW 1892 12576 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 338 238 BLW 1892 12577 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 339 239 BLW 1892 12580 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 340 240 BLW 1892 12581 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 341 241 BLW 1892 12582 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 342 242 BLW 1892 12583 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 343 243 BLW 1892 12584 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 344 244 BLW 1892 12987 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 345 245 BLW 1892 12597 56 1/2 6, Still on 1920 Roster 346 246 BLW 1892 12604 56 1/2 Removed From Roster Between 1917 and 1920 347 247 BLW 1892 12605 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 348 248 BLW 1892 12607 56 1/2 6,7,Still on 1920 Roster 349 249 BLW 1893 13892 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 350 250 BLW 1893 13893 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 351 251 BLW 1893 13895 56 1/2 3,5,6. Still on 1920 Roster 352 252 BLW 1893 13896 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 353 253 BLW 1893 13898 56 1/2 Still on 1920 Roster 354 FtW&RG 6R.I. 1 1891 2604 55 6, Still on 1920 Roster 355 FtW&RG 20 R.I. 1891 2605 55 Still on 1920 Roster 356 FtW&RG 21 R.I. 1891 2606 55 Still on 1920 Roster 357 FtW&RG 22 R.I. 1891 2607 55 6, Still on 1920 Roster 358 FtW&RG 23 R.I. 1891 2608 55 Still on 1920 Roster 359 FtW&RG 24 BLW 1897 15532 55 4,Still on 1920 Roster 360 FtW&RG 25 BLW 1897 15533 55 Still on 1920 Roster 361 FtW&RG 26 BLW 1899 16581 55 Still on 1920 Roster 362 FtW&RG 27 BLW 1899 16582 55 Still on 1920 Roster 363 StLM&SE 9 Brooks 1893 55 1, Scrapped 6-12-16 364 StLM&SE 3 Brooks 1893 55 1, Scrapped 7-12-15 365 GT&W 3 Schen. 1909 46648 55 2 366 GT&W 4 Schen. 1909 46649 55 2 367 GT&W 5 Brooks 1910 47622 55 2 368 GT&w 6 Brooks 1910 47623 55 2 388 StL&G 20 Cooke 1898 59 Scrapped 3-05 (I'll bet the history of this locomotive is interesting. it must have been a real winner! Why else would they have scrapped a seven-year-old engine- DJH) 389 StLM&SE 4 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 11-09 390 StLM&SE 5 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 10-08 391 StLM&SE 6 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 sold 3-o6 392 StL&G 11 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Sold 7-o6 393 StL&G 12 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 6-07 394 StL&G 13 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 4-06 395 StL&G 14 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 6-06 396 StL&G 15 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Scrapped 8-05 397 StL&G 16 Dickson 1882 57 1/2 Sold 7-o6 398 StL&G 17 Cooke 1882 57 Scrapped 3-06 399 StL&G 18 Cooke 1882 57 Scrapped 3-06 26 StLS&LR 2 BLW 1873 3127 50 Sold 11-01 27 StLS&LR 3 BLW 1873 3266 50 Sold 11-01 29 StLS&LR 5 BLW 1873 3383 56 Scrapped 4-8-14
NOTES: l. Roster information is missing from Stagner's STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OF THE FRISCO LINE 2. Locomotive diagram is included in Stagnerts STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OF THE FRISCO LINE 3. Locomotive photograph included in Stagner's STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OF THE FRISCO LINE 4. Locomotive photograph included in the Broaabelt photo collection 5. Locomotive photograph included in the Chelf photo collection 6. Locomotive photograph included in the Vollrath photo collection . 7. Locomotive photograph included in the Wirth photo collection
| Comparison of Broadbelt photo # 4241 of JLC&E 32 (SL-SF 72) with the Vollrath July 1946 Memphis photo of sister #73 shown at left indicates the extensive rebuilding performed on these engines over the years. Valves were changed from slide to piston, valve gear was changed, lead truck changes, and different tender is noted . # 32's B/N may be read as 39038 on the excellect BLW negative & Broadbelt print. DJH |
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Above, FtW&RG 24 BLW builder's
photo 984 from the Broadbelt collection. This locomotive became
SL-SF 359.
Left, SL-SF 351 stored with many other small steam locomotives at Chaffee, MO January, 1934. H. E. Chelf collection |
I started typing this feature about four months ago. Since I started, I have found out a few things about model Moguls in HO. First is that Pro Custom has none in their stock and second is that there are only about eight on the market. I think Par East has an austere brass Mogul in standard gauge, I know they have a narrow gauge version. I could find no info on, It. PFM has imported two In the past four years. One Is the B&M B-15c and the other is the SP M-4. The B&M engine, although an impressive looking model, is unlike anything Frisco had. The SP M-4 looks promising for the 363-366 class Frisco engines. Does anyone have access to one of these models?
Comparison of the photo in the PFM ad and the diagrams in Stagner's book gives hints that only the cylinders would have to be changed. The Frisco engines had slide valves. The other five models are all well known kits. The first one is the reissued Mantua 2-6-0 which is far too big. I think it is their 4-6-0 boiler on a 2-6-0 frame. Kemtron has offered, for many years, a model of a Wabash prototype, straight-boilered Mogul. They either have it ready for reissue at this time or soon will. The diagrams show that only the 304-316's were straight boilered. The little Roundhouse kit also has a straight boiler. Its drivers appear, from photos, to be quite large. I could not find one in a hobby shop to measure, but I did measure the 2-8-0 which shares a frame and boiler with the 2-6-0. Boyd is supposed to offer a kit of a GB&W prototype. I have also been unable to find one of them. A photo of GB&W #50 may be found on page 69 of the February 1978 issue of MODEL RAILROADER. I have been able to obtain prototype measurements of this locomotive thanks to the work of Mr. Gus Weinstock of Ladue, MO. It is unknown whether #50 is the prototype for the Boyd model.
The last model is one recently introduced by Arbour Models. It is based on a late-nineteenth century Brooks design, shares components with the soon-to-be-introduced 4-4-0, and looks quite close to several of the Frisco Moguls. It is the best bet of the bunch. I have prepared a table of the model measurements I could find. It is presented on page 26 due to lack of room on this page. Make your desired comparisons based on the diagrams and the table and give me your votes on model/prototype comparisons.
This is an example of the type research I would like the Group to do on each class of Frisco steam locomotive. I would like to try to do the 0-6-0's next. Only Ray Bullock has been giving me 0-6-0 modeling tips. We can not do this work by ourselves, Please help if you can. There have been a lot of 0-6-0 models offered in all the scales. The only ones we're sure of are the 3800 USRA's. Will those of you who have access to locomotive diagrams please check your copy for 0-6-0 #3602? The books loaned me by Lee and Ed have vague reference that this locomotive may have been rebuilt as a saddle tanker to work the cars shops at one time. I plan to tackle the 4-6-0's and 4-4-0's, in that order, after finishing up the 0-6-0's. I do not plan to be in a big hurry! In fact, the 4-4-0's could take years!
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